1936 Matching Luger
 

Chaps, this is for sale on the WAF forum. I think it is a really nice set, two matching mags, same dated holster. Anyone any comments on it? Its not cheap though!


Cheers

Ben

Ben,
Seems ok to me, wery nice - go for it!

Many thanks, I will barter the price for it and see if I can buy it :)

Cheers


Ben

That is a wery nice set, good luck!!:cheers:

Regards

Kai

Norway

Hi,

Is this gun still working ?

regard

Otto

No Otto, its a deac, we are not allowed live pistols in the UK :(

Ok, but it had been a really nice gun.
The holster is a nice one.

I have a Böker from 1939 and one from 1940.

regards

1936 s/42
 

If I was in the UK - I'd be all over that Luger & Holster - Beautiful matched rig - You'd not be able to easily upgrade - I hope you get it. Brendan

It looks to be excellent from the photos. It just makes me sad to know it is a deact......but that is how it has to be there. There were a number of DEWAT submachine guns in the USA many, many years ago, that when the amnesty came about, they got registered, and made functional again. Those guns are worth a "ton" now.

Looks like a nice rig. If you're looking for a III Reich Luger, this is the one.

I know this is stirring the pot, but I'm not sure I would deactivate a live Luger if I found one just to be able to own it. I'd leave that one alone and find an already deactivated example.

Whether illegal or not, I'm not sure I could take an old vet's live bringback and have it ruined. The law might change some day.

I think you can see in one of the photos taken from the front, where there is a hole drilled up from the bottom through the receiver into the chamber. The hole shows as a notch in the bottom front edge of the receiver. Sad....

Just the words "deactivate a Luger" gives me the creeps, especially a nice one like that!

Ben must to dance according to the music.
This is how that laws are on his country. Not everybody can do what Mr. Sturgess made years ago to save his collection, by moving to Switzerland.

I know the bad feeling of seeing a deact collectable gun, but it's not right to say to do something that is against the law. I doubt that anyone in US, in their full sanity, let's say, would risk to own a unregistered full auto MG42 or a Thompson SMG just because they do not agree to have a deact.

Greetings,
Douglas.

Unfortunately, Douglas, there are quite a number of live war trophy full autos around the
U. S. They can no longer be legally registered and the only legal recourse is to give them to a museum, cut them up, or surrender them to the ATF. So folks just choose to keep them covered up. It really is a shameful situation.
Regarding deactivating a Luger for ownership in Great Britian, it happens every day. We just don't see the before photos.
Look at the bright side. The next time Gerry comes to visit, we can loan the Brit's our "real" firearms with which to defend herself. Again.
dju

Just for clarification, I clearly stated I would move on and NOT own a live bring back if I came across it. I would not be the one to ruin it just to posses it. I'm not proposing anything illegal, I'm just saying I'd pass on anything I had to ruin myself in order to own.

As far as live, unregistered MGs in the US, as Daveid pointed out, there are hundreds, if not thoussands still sitting in our Veteran's attics. The ATF has been promising for over 15 years to establish an amnesty window for these guns, but have not had the political cojones to actually implement it. The sad reality is that all of these vets who beld to posses these war trophies are currently in violation of this stupid law.

After WW1 many of the purchasers of US Savings Bonds received a dewat Maxim gun in appreciation for their investments. Now lots of those guns still exist but no one know that they had to be registered years later. So they are now unregistered and illegal, making criminals of otherwise law-abiding citizens.
I have come across, or heard of, at least a dozen over the recent years. They are all really neat and I'd love to have them, but none are worth touching...
dju

It is possible, in this particular case, to rewat one of those guns, if all documentation is present.
In the past, ATF has been known to accept the paperwork from programs like this as an original "registration" of the gun. I once rewatted a beautiful 1918 Winchester BAR by using a Dept. of the Treasury document aknowledgement that the gun had been dewatted. With this document in hand, I showed that the gun was a "Registered Dewat", which can legally be "rewatted", which was duly done and then transferred on a Form 3.

A:
Try it without that orig. Dept. Of The Treasury (formerly the handlers of the ATF) document. No previous registration, no nothing. If they are registered, then RE-watting is no problem, and usually quite easily accomplished.
dju

Not just a Dept. of the Treasury document. I've seen capture papers/ Unit officer authorization chits used to successfully register weapons in the past. It all depends on the particular circumstances and the paperwork available.

You mean to tell me that you could use a glorified bring-back paper to get a never before registered full auto registered as either an active functioning gun or a dewat?
dju

Not a run of the mill "bringback" paper, but a document awarding the piece to a particular person, signed by the commanding officer. The document would have to predate the 1968 amnesty and have other documents giving it weight. I am aware of ATF occasionally approving this under certain circumstances.

Let's try to recall that full autos were never authorized as bringbacks after the 1934 NFA Act. There simply have been circumstances where a historical significance or circumstance merited ATF approval.

But WW1 and the Maxim guns were another story. They are the most commonly found unrigistered military full auto, in my experience.
But I think that we are getting just a bit off topic here...
Thanks for your input Alan.
dju

Yes, I agree that these are probably the most common, unregistered NFA items. Most of these were offered out before the 1934 NFA Act. This was back when you could mail order a Thompson Submachinegun from a catalogue.

Those Maxims were given out, as you mentioned, for things such as War Bond premiums, service recognition, etc. Hell, I imagine a bank or two gave them away for opening a savings account!! Since these guns were so big and "impractical" along with the fact that many were received by "non gun" people, many were never registered during the amnesty. I've also seen a bunch of these over the years that are considered contraband, including a rare Vickers "Balloon Gun".

Up until the mid 1990s, there was a fully working Maxim with sled mount, spray painted silver, simply chained to the flagpole, (with a dog chain!) outside a Vermont post office I am familiar with.

Maxims are still the cheapest, registered, belt fed MG available to a lawful purchaser.

Well gents I have secured this luger and hopefully should have it next week :cheers:

Congratulations !

I am sorry to show my ignorance; but, what is "WAF"?

Please note I said ignorance, not stupidity. I can be cured. :)

I think WAF is for the http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/index.php
Interesting forum for collectors of all things wehrmacht.:)
Just reading a interesting discussion there about the recent auction of the "Dr. George Sturgess collection".
Apparently if a gun was part of his famous collection,it does command a premium.:rolleyes:
Bob

Yes that is correct, the Wehrmacht Awards Forum, it should be here tomorrow :)

Well guys its arrived, I have taken some more pics for your perusal, hope you enjoy it, I absolute love it :)

More A

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More C

Ben
Very very nice!!!!! Bill

Awesome...you landed a real gem!

Really nice Luger.
Congratulations and thanks for sharing.
Douglas

Pictures of a mutilated corpse.

That may be so, Mike... but if you live in the UK, and have an interest in historical guns, you have little choice but to own them after they have been "neutered"...

Have pity on our UK friends please... they can't help it. They are "subjects" of the crown. Not citizens of a free nation.

Even with all our own troubles I Thank God almighty every day that we still live in the nation that is the freedom envy of every other nation in the entire world.

Any of our Lugerforum friends in the UK who come to Washington DC are welcome to PM me in advance so I can show them what that freedom is all about while they are here. :thumbup:

Hey John I might just take you up on that :thumbup:

Or me on the west coast