Renato Gamba Luger
 

Comments? Looks like a pretty nice pistol to me. No affiliation, etc.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=369718073

Postwar Mauser manufacture for an Italian distributor. They are 7.65mm Luger. I need one of those but I ain't givin' what he's wantin'. His BIN used to be about 4K.

Wait long enough, and it'll probably go down to 1.5K.

Looks like a pretty nice pistol to me. I am reminded looking at it of fake Pakistani Luger holsters. It is an eyesore. I can't tell 100% but it looks like they were too cheap to put on the lanyard staple.
The sideplate is a weird purple. There is strange maker marks on the front grip strap and bad looking markings elsewhere..and what did they try to polish off the Chamber area? A Polish Eagle with RG?
This pistol looks like an Airsoft BB gun.
For that kind of $$ you could sure end up with a REAL Luger.

Jerry

This is one of the (few I suppose) pistols that Mauser made for the Renato Gamba Company of Gardone Valtrompia.

I've seen a couple of them, they are like the "Anniversary" ones made by Mauser in the period 1972 1979 to celebrate Mauser " Russian contract ", although this one is a standard p.08, others were probably made with the old W+F machine tools, in fact these pistols have many things in common with W+F 1906/29
To me beautiful guns but without a soul ... (no history)

And here I was, suspecting it was a former Police pistol! No..wait...that'd be Zenyatta Mondatta.

Sergio, Yes..I should not be harsh. I know people have an interest in these pistols and many like them.

The 'Renato Gamba' series of Mauser Parabellum pistols is actually quite a rare beast and not a lot were made at all.

Produced in 1974, with a number of RG-marked pistols being shipped to Interarms in 1976.
No more than 1000 RG-pistols were planned and produced.

The RG-logo on the chamber was added using an etching process, it looks like this one got a less than succesful etching treatment.

Shown here is one of the original etching transfers in my collection.

These pistols were certainly real, engineered by the companies that produced and developed the originals (this includes DWM's successor IWK who produced most of the toggle parts). No Swiss machines or tools were used during production, but Swiss quality control gauges were used during the manufacturing process and the post war Design was based on Swiss drawings.

If you want to know more about the post war development, I suggest picking up a copy of our book 'The Parabellum Is Back! 1945-2000' in which the complete story of the Postwar Parabellum is told.

Old thread, but I recently was able to find one of the Renato Gamba contract lugers in Germany.

Of the little over 1000 planned, only about 150 to 200 were delivered to Renato Gamba before they ran out of cash.

The rest of the pistols were partially dismantled and sold for parts. Others had their Renato Gamba markings removed, Interarms markings and American Eagle added and were sold to Interarms. These still have the RG serial number.

A special feature of the 1974 Renato Gamba P.08 was the 4 inch barrel in .30 luger. This barrel type was never used on the Mauser Parabellum before the Renato Gamba contract of 1974 and was supposed to add to collector appeal. 9x19 being a prohibited cartridge in Italy, a .30 luger 'P08' barrel would be welcomed as an alternative.

The draft notes, contract details and RG logo design drawings survived and we will plan an article on this not so regular Mauser pistol soon.

Some more shots:

you say you found one....is that the same as I bought one?

how are they valued in the secondary market?

thanks, tom

Hi Tom, yes, I bought it.
Prices in the EU range from 1200 to 2000.
Higher in the US, but I think around 1500 to 1700 is reasonable. Everything below is a very good deal.

Pricing also depends on the extras. Some were shipped in a nice luxury case. That ups the price with a couple hundred.

Documents.

I am impressed with your collecting ability....you may be closer to the motherload than us in the USA......Tom

Thank you all for this info!
By chance RG0311 is for sale on GB now, just an FYI, bid is $1200 now.
I don't need it-I have RG0899 which is a AE/Interarms rework, still with green hang tag.
I do have a question about these please: Do we know what regular production SNs were defaced in renumbering the RG series?
Now on GB: RG0311:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/868017296

The chamber crest on the GB gun seems a little faint or shallow in those pictures. Then again, it could just be the relatively poor overall picture quality.

It seems the chamber crests came out better on one than the other. Etching was a manual process and some were shallower than others.

As far as I'm aware there are no decent records on re-used (or obliterated) serial numbers.

I did ask the seller on GB twice for better photos no reply so far.

Regarding serial numbers that may have been reworked, offhand it seems like regular Interarms 9mm pistol serial numbers peter out around 144xx, most with FBM proofs but some having Euro proofs dated 73. The next I recall is 152xx with HK (79) date code.

(Anyone with a green hang tag to spare?)

Joe,

Would have to think that the person to ask about precise post-war Mauser serial numbering would be Mauro Baudino here on the forum.

The RG lugers were made in 1974 and 1975, so there were enough normal and Interarms pistols and parts around to work with. Factory documents show that parts inventories were done on several occassions to see what could be used and re-used for contract work. But there are no actual lists of recycled serial numbers that have shown up yet.

@HerrKaiser, you are aware that Mauro and I wrote the book on the post war Parabellum together, right?

Vlim,

No I was not of that. My apologies, I meant no slight. I just know Mauro often advertises the Mauser Parabellum certification service on the forum.

I thought that the Renato Gamba deserved a better box than the brown shipping carton it came in.

I found a beaten old, but original, Mauser Parabellum presentation case that had been gutted.
With some TLC applied, it's now the appropriate home for our Italian P.08.

The auction is closing soon-

I was wondering if the grips are from Mauser or Interarms or an aftermarket company grip made for real P08 pistols? (see link to similar grips by Altamont below)

The last time I checked Mauser Parabellum Swiss or P08 style OEM NOS grips are not available, right?

Thank you, Joe

https://www.altamontco.com/pistol-grips/luger/luger

The post war Mauser Parabellum grips differ from the original ones, they also need space for the grip safety.

I'm not aware of a commercial outfit that makes reproductions for the post war Mauser Parabellum.

The auction closed and the pistol sold for $1430, 30 bids total.

In my opinion that is a fairly steep price considering the grips are not original, the felt in the wood box has been replaced and so much is missing like the test target and manual.

Regarding the wood box, were those sent in addition to the regular box (with the styrofoam insert) or instead of the regular box?

For what its worth I would add that in P08 style pistols the 4" barrel is far less common than the 6" version-perhaps only 1 in 4 of the P08 style pistols I've seen have the 4" barrel.

One last thing on these Mauser Parabellums-has anyone got any regular production (not commemorative) .30 caliber pistols with 5" barrels? All but 3 I've ever seen have the 6" barrels.

Aren't you mixing up a few guns?

The one at auction has factory grips and a factory styrofoam box?

The wooden box was sold as an optional extra.
5" is the Swiss lenght and Mauser hardly used it. Most are, as you observed, 4" and 6".

My apologies, you are right, I'm trying to juggle too much stuff right now, apologies.

The gun I just mentioned selling for $1430 is not the RG in this thread, but a wood boxed P08 style with white grips, really sorry. A link to that closed sale follows this email.

Regarding the 5" (12CM) length on standard production .30 cal pistols I do have 3 and will post photos of them in a new post later. Two are Swiss and one of those has a P08 style safety, the third is a P08 frame last production from 1985 with 1900 style toggle. (Seeking a green hang tag for it!)

Best Wishes, Joe

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/872750819

Looking forward to seeing the 5" versions as they are not that common.

I will post some photos of my 5" pistols under the Postwar section soon.

Regarding the Luger in this thread-RG 0311-it brought $1200.

Also, Simpson just sold RG 0179 for $2195.

Best Wishes, Joe

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/868017296

https://simpsonltd.com/mauser-renato...-cased-z44763/