Navy Holsters and stocks
 

I see where it was mentioned in the artillery stock and holster thread someone wanting to post navy holsters and stocks. I personally don't own any, but I would like to learn a little about them as well. I'm really curious about the flap cover on the holsters. Are there different styles of them.

Thanks ahead for any pictures the members on this forum show.

Skeeter

Heres one:

Curious that the Navy did not see the need for the protective leather cup for the stock's latch.

A good question?

Thanks for pointing that out Doug, that fact got past me. I guess I'm not very observant. :confused:

Lon

Perhaps the Navy was concerned over trapped moisture and corrosion due to their usual proximity to salt water?

Navy guys don't get dirty on their pretty ships.

As shown in Eric's great photo there was no flap overstrap or stock boot on Imperial Navy type 1 stock rigs. I think it might have been for both of the reasons and a couple more..

I never could figure why the stock boot is made the way it is..Trapping moisture was always possible, they had no drain hole.

Two different rigs that's for sure!

Drain holes were used as early the 1900 U.S. test holster. I guess it wasn't a high priorty in Germany!

Looking at the two stocks side by side (Navy and the Artillery), it almost looks like the navy is a bit shorter. Is it? Could be just an optical illusion and the fact one has the leather cup on it and the other does not.

You have a good eye! Yup..Navy stocks are a tad shorter.

You are correct. The navy board is 13' and the artillery is 14' approx!

Is that due to the fact that artillerys have a different lengths in barrels?

I have noticed this Navy holster, which says a commercial holster. I'm curious about the flap on it.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=14738

I check Joe Salters luger section for lugers, holsters and parts! http://www.joesalter.com/ ~~~Eric

Not that I was going to order the one off Simpsons website, but is that flap correct for a navy luger holster?

Glenn..It all depends on what you mean by Navy Luger. This holster is NOT a Navy. It is fashioned for a 6 inch barrel to be sure but a Navy it is not. Navy is a catch all phrase to boost price..not all 6 inch barreled Lugers are Navy pistols.

And to answer your question more directly..no this top is NOT proper for an Imperial Navy Luger holster. These type 1 & type 2 holsters were made with a flat flap. Not molded.

Kriegsmarine Navy's are a different thing..they are in general 4 inch barreled with a regular Luger type holster with a molded top. An Army type holster with a KM Navy marking on the back.

The holster I remember from the Simpson site is more or less a commercial holster for a 6 inch barreled Luger. Not Military and not necessarily Navy either!

That's kind of what I was trying to get at. I didn't think it was a Navy style holster, but just a 6" holster. The flap is a molded one and not flat. But they damn sure have it listed as a "Navy holster - Commercial". And for a grand, buyer beware.

Thanks Jerry.

:thumbsup:

Not always true. The first photo shows the S.M.S. Konigsberg partially sunk in the shallow Rufiji delta in German East Africa, in the first moths of WW1. The crew dismounted the deck guns (2nd photo) and converted them into field pieces. They spent the next four years as a guerilla army fighting the British and were still fighting some weeks after the war ended, since word of the armistice took a while to reach them.
Regards, Norm

Norm, those fellows didn't even know what dirt and grime was until they had spent some time in the bush with Lettow-Vorbeck's crowd.

Well, That is downright interesting. Another thing for me to dig into on the net. I am quite interested in how, if at all, they were able to utilize deck guns in guerilla [sic] warfare. The ammo would be a logistic nightmare that maybe only German ingenuity could manipulate.

I must add, however, that my brother, Machinist Mate 2nd class (he actually made 1st class--twice) in WWII got his hands dirty often on his ship--specially on Dec 9th '41 and for some time there after as his repair ship arrived in Pearl Harbor.

Hi George, The surviving members of the Köenigsberg's crew did, in fact, serve with von Lettow-Vorbeck for the remainder of the war. They were presumably armed with the 50 or so P04's that were allocated to the Köenigsberg. There have been several books written about their adventures and they are well worth chasing down. Here's a short summary from Wikipedia.
Best regards, Norm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rufiji_Delta