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Zorba 06-23-2013 11:23 PM

Time to get serious...
 
Ok - unless someone tells me "bad idea", I'm going to do my best to grab this one:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=349429952

Its what I've been looking for... I think/hope!

alvin 06-24-2013 05:47 AM

Curiously, what attracts you on this particular instance?

DavidJayUden 06-24-2013 07:44 AM

They have already declined bids of $1650. So how much are you willing to pay over that price? Seems to me that it getting right up against top dollar on that one.
It does seem like an honest wartime Luger.
dju

Norme 06-24-2013 07:59 AM

Hi Zorba, Both gun and holster look legit to me, and I think you can comfortably go to $2,00.00.
Are you really a professional belly dancer?
Regards, Norm

alvin 06-24-2013 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden (Post 235742)
It does seem like an honest wartime Luger.

Astonished.

In my imagination, German would not re-number that magazine to make it match. Why did German care that number, it shoots then it's OK, it's just a tool in its era.

Let's assume viewers ignore that magazine and bid accordingly, so let's put the magazine aside. Not a big deal as long as it's not counted. The right panel does not fit the gun well, most likely it's a replacement. Let's also assume it's German did it. The left panel fits well, but has a chip on upper corner. Let's assume that caused by battle usage. The safety lever was refinished, let's assume it's done by German field gunsmith...... the list could go on and on....

If the attractive point is nice bore, it might perform well, it has some value, but should be described accordingly.

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I don't have Mauser Luger. Am I wrong in the observation?

sheepherder 06-24-2013 08:42 AM

I would think that $1650 is high estimate for Luger + holster + magazines/tool....OK, maybe a couple hundred more... ;)

alvin 06-24-2013 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino (Post 235746)
I would think that $1650 is high estimate for Luger + holster + magazines/tool....OK, maybe a couple hundred more... ;)

Why? Could you give an itemized estimation? I am also interested in this rig.

sheepherder 06-24-2013 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin (Post 235747)
Why? Could you give an itemized estimation? I am also interested in this rig.

As you well know, I am not a collector...But WW II Luger, 42 or S/42 seem to be what entry level buyers like...WW II mystique maybe...And this looks in very good shape, to my untrained eye...$1400 is my top dollar for pistol itself; others may say holster is worth a couple hundred (or maybe not), and two mags worth a couple hundred also...

That would be my reasoning...But remember, I have no interest in holsters or extra magazines [needless extravagances], so I would not bid over $1400...But if you are buyer who likes 'rig', then upwards of maybe $1850 would not be out of order, in my mind...If it is what you have your heart set on...

Edit: Also no export stamp...Means nothing to new buyer, but may affect price if later sold to collector...

Edit2: I am looking at pic of toggles, and the hinges look either extremely dirty, or maybe evidence of... :confused:

He also has a "G" date for sale...

guns3545 06-24-2013 09:17 AM

I would suggest you ask for detailed pictures of the "matching" magazine.

Also insure that the tool is properly marked.

John

DavidJayUden 06-24-2013 10:33 AM

Agreed. On second look the matching mag. is suspect. Need to see closeups of that part and also the front frame nmubers. I'm not seeing a big problem with the grip panels or finish on the saftey lever and am assuming that it is a strawed part worn silver. But my suggestion that $1650 is top dollar stands.
dju

Zorba 06-24-2013 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme (Post 235744)
Hi Zorba, Both gun and holster look legit to me, and I think you can comfortably go to $2,00.00.

This was what I was kinda thinking too - but I appreciate everyone's feedback. Sounds to me like it may have some minor issues (what wouldn't being this old?), but is probably pretty solid. I'm particularly interested because its a '36, the fact that its a "rig" is a nice bonus.
Quote:

Are you really a professional belly dancer?
Regards, Norm
Yes.

Ben M. 06-24-2013 11:33 AM

here. very informative web site.

http://www.doubleveil.net/index.htm

DavidJayUden 06-24-2013 12:02 PM

And just when I could swear that I've seen it all...
dju

lugerholsterrepair 06-24-2013 12:53 PM

Yes..Interesting to say the very least. I read the entire FAQ page. Is there any money in this? That was the only question I didn't see asked..

Patronen 06-24-2013 01:19 PM

The magazine looks to have been renumbered at some point.

Norme 06-24-2013 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair (Post 235759)
Yes..Interesting to say the very least. I read the entire FAQ page. Is there any money in this? That was the only question I didn't see asked..

Enough to buy a $2,000.00 Luger, I guess. Now that I'm retired and have time on my hands, maybe it's something I can take up to make myself a few bucks?
Regards, Norm

Zorba 06-24-2013 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair (Post 235759)
Yes..Interesting to say the very least. I read the entire FAQ page. Is there any money in this? That was the only question I didn't see asked..

There's a male Belly Dancer in LA who reputedly commands a $1K price for a standard 15-20 minute performance. I'm not that good, not that famous, and not in LA. Where I am, about $75-$100 is the going rate for a Belly Dancer of either gender - and not much demand.

My latest paying gig was $100/each for myself and another (female) dancer. I easily spend twice that per month on classes - so it won't pay for Lugers for sure!

Zorba 06-24-2013 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme (Post 235764)
Enough to buy a $2,000.00 Luger, I guess. Now that I'm retired and have time on my hands, maybe it's something I can take up to make myself a few bucks?
Regards, Norm

Boulder has a fairly thriving dance community as I understand it. I can give you a referral to a good teacher if you like...

Zorba 06-24-2013 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patronen (Post 235760)
The magazine looks to have been renumbered at some point.

Good to know - thanx! :cheers:

Norme 06-24-2013 04:13 PM

Hi Zorba, I'm having second thoughts. Whenever I reach a crossroads in my life, I ask myself, "what would John Wayne do?". I don't think he'd approve!
Best regards, Norm

Zorba 06-24-2013 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme (Post 235768)
Hi Zorba, I'm having second thoughts. Whenever I reach a crossroads in my life, I ask myself, "what would John Wayne do?". I don't think he'd approve!
Best regards, Norm

Said in the Duke's best drawl: "Whadaya mean, you can't shimmy?" :roflmao:

alvin 06-24-2013 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino (Post 235749)
WW II Luger, 42 or S/42 seem to be what entry level buyers like

I like byf 41/42 Black Widow. It's not a scarce variation, but it has a unique appearance which is very attractive. Will get an instance one day in future.

Ron Wood 06-24-2013 08:12 PM

A professional belly dancer! I know there is a first time for everything, but in the history of Luger collecting this may be a singularity. Outside of the theater in general and terpsicore in particular how many other collective interest groups can claim…nay, dare I say boast of…a professional belly dancer as a member of their rank? Luger collecting casts a wide net and I am thankful for it.

P.S. Although not my area of interest (made after 1918 and all that), the rig looks pretty good to me, particularly if it can be obtained at or below the target values already stated.

alvin 06-24-2013 08:48 PM

When collectors say this gun being good, is it because the seller being a special man so there is some non-gun factor in the comments, or the gun being really very good?? Or, good really means its price being very good, or, did I miss something special on the rig....

I reviewed the pictures again.... say, I cannot see the safety lever clearly, let's assume it just covered by dark patina, not reblued. How about the right grip panels, and the number on the magazine??

DavidJayUden 06-24-2013 10:35 PM

Alvin:
I have no idea who the seller is so he may be a special man, or he may not. I'm certain that his mother thinks that he is.
The gun is not perfect, I think that we can all agree on that. I am seeing an honest war gun, but not perfect, maybe with a re-stamped magazine, etc. I am not trying to critique it as a high end collector's piece. And at a price of more than $1650 it seems like no bargain anyway.
dju

alvin 06-25-2013 03:48 AM

Dave, thanks for the clarification!

ithacaartist 06-25-2013 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme (Post 235768)
Hi Zorba, I'm having second thoughts. Whenever I reach a crossroads in my life, I ask myself, "what would John Wayne do?". I don't think he'd approve!
Best regards, Norm

Someone once told me that John Wayne said, "When you wear high heels, you gotta be tough!"

Ben M. 06-25-2013 11:46 AM

i too think the mag has been renumbered. from the photo the area of the stamping looks flat. which happens when old number is sanded away and new numbers added. just my 2 pennies.

sheepherder 06-25-2013 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist (Post 235806)
Someone once told me that John Wayne said, "When you wear high heels, you gotta be tough!"

I have an old movie starring Peter Sellers & Ringo Star called "The Magic Christian" which has many cameos in it and one is a singer in the cruise ship lounge which is hilarious... :roflmao:

ithacaartist 06-25-2013 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino (Post 235821)
I have an old movie starring Peter Sellers & Ringo Star called "The Magic Christian" which has many cameos in it and one is a singer in the cruise ship lounge which is hilarious... :roflmao:

Rich, we may be miles from the topic, but I couldn't resist saying I've wanted to catch that flick ever since I heard about it in the late 60s/early 70s. Always was a fan of Peter Sellers and Beatle-related movies. I'll try Netflix, now that I'm reminded of it again...

Zorba 06-25-2013 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist (Post 235806)
Someone once told me that John Wayne said, "When you wear high heels, you gotta be tough!"

I can hear his drawl...

But even I don't (at least hitherto) wear heels - although Lebanese style dancing stereotypically requires them. I can't imagine a faster way for me to break an ankle then trying to totter about onstage in stilettos.

But more to the original point, although I haven't yet ruled out the subject pistol, I'm eyeballing yet another - if the seller answers my questions the way I hope, I'll snag that one instead. The original is still a possibility, but is now more of a backup - if that.

ithacaartist 06-26-2013 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zormpas (Post 235872)
I can't imagine a faster way for me to break an ankle then trying to totter about onstage in stilettos.

Ah, we'd let you do it in cowboy boots--which, of course, offer more stability!

Any pics or info about the latest prospect?

Zorba 06-26-2013 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist (Post 235880)
Ah, we'd let you do it in cowboy boots--which, of course, offer more stability!

Any pics or info about the latest prospect?

Yes, bought this one:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=349093369

Now everyone can tell me how I paid too much for it... :jumper: :roflmao: :crying:

sheepherder 06-26-2013 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zormpas (Post 235889)
Now everyone can tell me how I paid too much for it... :jumper: :roflmao: :crying:

Shipping charge was very reasonable. :)

Zorba 06-26-2013 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino (Post 235892)
Shipping charge was very reasonable. :)

Yep - I thought so too! :cheers:

lugerholsterrepair 06-26-2013 01:44 PM

I am not wildly enthusiastic about the finish/bluing but it could be the photo's.

Norme 06-26-2013 03:44 PM

Hi Zorba, I have to agree with Jerry. Hopefully the gun is better than the photos. Also, the seller sounds like a bit of a huckster...
Regards, Norm

tomaustin 06-26-2013 08:05 PM

zormpas, enjoy you gun...everybody on this board has bought an imperfect
 
gun at some point or other.....shoot the hell out of it, learn a bunch, and save up for the solid gold one that will tempt you the next time....personally, i like some dings and dents---that's called character....tom

Zorba 06-26-2013 08:17 PM

When it gets here, I'll setup my softbox and try to get some good pix of it. I'm lookin' forward to it - seemed to be priced fairly (to me) compared to a lot of others - including the first one in this thread. In any event, it'll be fun to see the more knowledgeable folk pick it apart - that's how to learn!

Now I'm just going through the FFL hassle - my first choice is out of storage space (!!) - so I'll go see the expensive, "big" LGS tomorrow. The good news is I already have a box and a half of ammo to try it out with.

Edward Tinker 06-26-2013 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme (Post 235768)
Hi Zorba, I'm having second thoughts. Whenever I reach a crossroads in my life, I ask myself, "what would John Wayne do?". I don't think he'd approve!
Best regards, Norm

Norm, sorry, have to disagree with you :confused: I think John Wayne would laugh to see you dancing :roflmao::burnout::roflmao:


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