Just NY?
 

I stopped by WalMart last weekend..Mother Hubbard time! All that remained of their ammo case was shotgun shells, a half dozen boxes of .22lr shotshells, and some other odds and ends. I buy their 9mm white box Winchester and 100 round boxes of Federal .45 ACP because they are priced very well. But Wally World can't seem to keep them in stock.

In addition to this, many online sellers of ammo are out of stock of just about everything. What, exactly, is causing this pinch?

Barack Hussein Obama.

The threat of new taxes on ammo and banning a number of firearms related items has caused tens of thousands of people, who otherwise could not care less to go out and "get theirs". Have you tried to purchase an AR 15 lately, (they are selling for as high as $3,600 on Gunbroker)?
Dealers here in Florida are waiting for the trucks at the Walmart docks and dealing with the store right off the truck, so they can then gouge consumers at the next gunshow with bumped up prices.

The very same scenario is occurring on reloading components. Some are hoarders(panic), and others are trying to turn a buck!!

Simple --- supply and demand.

Plus people who are not very smart - (being polite). I purchased 6,000 rounds of 5.56x45 and 2,000 rounds of 9mm in September, October and early November. The 5.56x45 ranged from a box price of $4.10 (Tula) to $8.10 (Remington). (9mm was $8.80 a box - all brass/boxer.) 10 cases of 30 ball from the CMP in the summer. All one had to do was to look around and watch.

What is the definition of a hoarder ?

^Thank you.

The definition : "Hoarding is a general term for a behavior that leads people or animals to accumulate food or other items during periods of scarcity."

But it does not specify a quantity.

So what quantity would qualify ??

As to ammo - 100 rounds, 1000 rounds, 100,000 rounds ??

As to weapons - 10 weapons, 100 weapons, 1000 weapons ??

So am I a hoarder because I had the foresight to buy ammo before it became scarce ??

Am I a hoarder because I had the foresight to acquire 8 SKSs, 4 AKs, 3 M1As, 7 AR15s, among other items before they became scarce ??

What is the difference between someone who has foresight and one who waits until the last minute ?

Shelves at my local Farm and Home are empty, I'm sure Cabela's shelves in St Louis are close to bare. The civvie side to Olin in Oxford MS are working overtime to fill orders.

I think the operative concept is stated a little further down: "...where the perceived importance of the hoarded items far exceeds their true value..." Animals do it by instinct. The hamster I had when I was in 6th grade would stash as much food as you cared to give her; however, the excess beyond that which was actually consumed, rotted in the stash beneath the litter in the cage and would be thrown out at each routine housekeeping I performed. A specific number for US and our ammo would be hard to pick. How much ammo would be necessary to serve our purposes, if ammo production were to stop entirely? I guess one could leave the excess to friends and family in his/her will...

On this front, 5 rounds of 20 gauge rifled slugs would keep me in venison for a year. A few shotshells for rabbits and squirrels, maybe, but then again a Hav-a-hart trap might suffice. Would I choose to stand off post-apocalyptic invaders/scavengers/looters--whether they are civilian or originate in whatever "legal" authorities remain, or are created? That would depend on a lot of things.

Perhaps a good gauge of "too much" in practical terms would be related to how much suffering or deprivation must be endured under the status quo in order to prepare for a scenario which may--or may not--happen. Maybe our family members are starved to support the behavior?

I've noticed that the doomsday preppers prepare for many different scenarios--EMPs that take out the power grid and all electronic/electrical devices; Tsunamis; economic collapse and the presumed chaos and civil unrest to follow; there was even one guy who thought the earth would flip around on its axis (a TOTAL fallacy! Polar shifts have occurred many times before, but it involves the magnetic fields of the earth, NOT the planet itself.). As with different religions, they can't all be right; but they could all be wrong. It, in fact, may turn out to be like packing up two tons of sand--just in case it were needed--and then finding out we had to travel across a desert.

If you've seen the Hoarders show on TV, and you have the fortitude necessary to do a reality check on yourself, then you know who you are!

I think just about any full sized pistol now falls into this danged category, even the almost 50-yr old Erma .22s. But the 1911 is extremely numerous and iconic, not to mention usually .45 caliber. It will be a hey-day until April 15th when we all go down to the county clerks' offices to register our "assault weapons".

This was posted onthe gunboards

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/guns-...r-war-2_022013

Ammo , comes in here everyday and is pretty much grabed up quickly, but it comes in. prices are falling as supply increases, there are ar 15's again on selfs at normal prices and they continue to sit there, so in some ways it's starting to get back to normal. at least here.

That is good news!! I hope that it continues across the Nation. I see that some of the "speculators" on Backpage here in Az. are lowering their prices on AR 15($4500 down to $3000) since they have no takers. This should continue unless something else happens.

Its been very busy at gunshops since December and a number of discussions on assorted boards, not sure if on this board of this same subject.

And gun shows have been crazy for the last two months....

Mr tinker, there are 1100.00 to 1000.00 ar's that have not sold here, i bought 20rd boxs of 5.56 for 6.00 today, 9mm is still spotty but there is ammo ariving here each day, gunshows are mostly still gaughers.

huh?????

I would be willing to bet that the state politicians have .45's.

A massive industry movement is starting. I received this note today:

Cheaper Than Dirt Supports Citizens' 2nd Amendment Rights

Recently companies such as LaRue Tactical and Olympic Arms announced they will no longer sell prohibited items to government agencies and personnel in states denying civilians to own those same items. It has been and will continue to be Cheaper Than Dirt's policy not to sell prohibited items to government agencies and agents in states, counties, cities and municipalities that have enacted restrictive gun control laws against their citizens. We support and encourage other companies that share in this sentiment.

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CTD is the most recent of several firearms industry companies to tell New York and other similar geographies that have passed draconian gun laws that they will no longer do business with them.

Marc

what i am saying is , if the reasonable priced ar's are not selling and amunition is arriving in quanity everyday, supply is reaching demand at least here and sooner or later it will do it most everywhere. Panic buying has caused this and sooner or later it will cease.

Stopped by the local Walmart on Thursday, Feb. 14. No .22lr, .38, 9mm, .40, .45, .223, 5.56. Only some hunting type rifle and shotgun ammo. Still panic buying here I guess.

But I've been a "thrifty ant" for years, no shortage here. :thumbup:

Going to Walmart was just the thing for Valentine's Day. :eek:

[QUOTE=mrerick;229269]A massive industry movement is starting. I received this note today:

Cheaper Than Dirt Supports Citizens' 2nd Amendment Rights

Recently companies such as LaRue Tactical and Olympic Arms announced they will no longer sell prohibited items to government agencies and personnel in states denying civilians to own those same items. It has been and will continue to be Cheaper Than Dirt's policy not to sell prohibited items to government agencies and agents in states, counties, cities and municipalities that have enacted restrictive gun control laws against their citizens. We support and encourage other companies that share in this sentiment.

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Marc,

CTD is trying desperately hard to try and recover customers after they initially folded to Obama and announced that they would no longer be selling firearms.....yes, they had announced it on their website. There was a firestorm over this on at least a couple of forums that I attend, and a ton of emails to CTD to have their names removed from their catalog list, plus other statements. Within 4-5 days, CTD made a retraction on their website, and is NOW back in the firearms/ammo business. I don't think they expected the response that they received. A great number of customers are very unhappy with their "panic pricing" also.......My way of thinking on that is if you don't like the prices, don't buy it!!

Reloading supplies have also become scarce. Powder and primers are unavailable locally and almost all powder and primers on the Midway website are listed as "out-of-stock, no backorder." If this keeps up I will be forced to cut down on shooting in several months. The problem with hoarding is that it inspires more hoarding. When reloading supplies do become available I am likely to purchase larger quantities.
KFS

The funny thing about it is that some people are acting like the world is coming to an end, buying everything they see without thinking. I have seen several private ads for bulk pack .223 at about $1/ea, while the local store still has Hornady V-Max on the shelf for $22/20 rounds. This is actually only a few cents more than I paid a year ago, but it's still sitting there. It kind of made me laugh thinking about all the suckers paying through the nose for low end plinker ammo, when you can have the good stuff for about the same price.

Well, for the past 58 years I have always made it a point, if I purchased one box of ammo - actually to buy a second and put it aside. (I rotate stock.) So when times are tough (ie: 7 kids) I had ammo to shoot. There were certain times when because of political conditions, ammo and guns became hard or expensive to find. Some of these instances cold be predicted. I thought the Colorado theater thing would take off, but fortunately it did not. But it was evident that is was a matter of time before something hit a raw nerve. When it was evident that obama was going to win in 2012, I purchased some ammo. Foresight does help a lot. But I have no problem with the current dry spell.

Over the years I have seen the progression of gun control. Suffice it to say that when I was 15 years old, I rode my bike to the gun store and purchased a pistol, put is in the bike's basket and rode home. No parents, no police, nobody except the gun store owner and me. Two months later , I again rode the bike to the gun store and purchased a K98k, and since it had a sling, I put it across my bike and road home. Compare that to today.

As to the SHTF situations, face it - if you are in a populated area, your goose is cooked. I have a home in the country where I would be accepted since my wife is from there. But unless I am already there, I would not make it. As to get there I would have to get out of the present metro area, pass another on on the fringes and then there would be all those small towns.

Should be interesting in how NGD does.

Well, my grandmother who raised me for a number of years taught me that the early bird gets the worm. Then you have the more recent story of the ant and the grasshopper.

When I turned 15, I gave up my part time job and acquired another one which I would work 40 to 48 hour a week in addition to going to school. If I had not worked, I would not have been able to go to college. Worked the same hours during college.

Even later (70s) I rode with my brothers-in-law when they went down to Perry County (Ky.) to haul coal. Good money. It paid well. The only downside was that we had to cross UMW picket lines.

Now people expect everything to be given to them.