The Newtown Ct shooting A dark day in our history
 

Today 20 young school children and seven others were shot and killed at a elementry school , we as responsible gun owners and collectors know there will be fallout from this shooting, but let us remember the victims and their families at this time. Keep them in your prayers and thoughts Allso remember the survivors and all those that are struggling with this horrible act of violence ,words cannot convey the sense of loss that has effected those involved in this , May God grant them grace.

there are bits and peices coming out on the tragedy so far The weapons used in the attack were legally purchased and were registered to the gunman's mother, two law enforcement officials said. , this still does not take away the pain and suffering of those involved, but we as resposible gun owners need to know how the guns that were used were attained. Keep all the victims and their familes in your prayers.

My prayers go to the families of the deceased, and to the surviving children who saw too much.

It was very hard watching tonight's national news, especially all the drive-by Media out for a news story, have they no shame!!!! We live in one very sick society today....Twenty innocent little lives wasted. I truely feel for the families for their loss and forever pain.......................

I work with a Gun Rights group in North Carolina. It seems that the hysteria that is rising around this horrible tragic incident is now being fueled by our Washington Politicians.

The truth is that a Federal law (the Gun Free School Zones act) passed in 1990; declared unconstitutional in 1995 and re-enacted in slightly modified form in 1996 has enabled 5 times the number of annual school incidents and more than three times the annual loss of life.

- These criminals ignore all laws that normal citizens respect. Adam Lanza broke a large number of them.
- Criminals can predict that they will not be opposed while they slaughter our children at schools.
- More of the same lawmaking will not solve this problem. Protection Free Zones are just that - and violent criminals only respond to immediate opposing force.

I also share the grief for those that have lost loved ones, and disgust for the person that did this.

Marc

I am a father of a young boy and this sickens me to no end. I will be sending many prayers out to the victims and their families. What a sin.

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato

The weapons used in the attack were legally purchased and were registered to the gunman's mother, two law enforcement officials said. take note the weapons were legal and still used to murder these children and others plus their owner.

Right now we should only be thinking of the victims , their families , the community and our Nation. Our thoughts and prayers to all. Bill

Roger that, i was letting other information side track me from the main issue, which is praying for the victims and their familes. I believe all on this forum will agree on that.

We are going to be hearing there is a simple solution - ban all guns.

I think of those folks and the loss of their children then think of my 2 grown daughters and how grateful I am that they were allowed to be kids and grow into young adults.

That being said, gun control worked here, everyone was unarmed except the shooter.

No guns available, no problem:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12...est=latestnews

or this:

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.an...e/disaster.htm

As a 20 year old, the evil murderer in this incident did not have legal possession of his mother's firearms. 21 is the minimum age.

He also did not legally bring them onto the school campus.

As no school official had authorized a Connecticut CCW holder to carry on the school campus (permitted by Connecticut law), there was nobody there to stop him.

I mourn the loss caused by this act of evil. I hope that the victims that are still living can find peace.

Marc

Sick thing is I have feared something like this...2 weeks ago I mentioned to a few buddies it is a little disturbing how everywhere the mainstream media has picked up on this Dec 21st crap. Even National Geographic channel, an educational channel, with shows such as "Doomsday Preppers" and Mayan prophecy end of the world scenario shows. All this is doing is setting a fatalistic tone for these mentally challenged people who believe this and setting a timeline for them to "settle" their made up grudges.

Perhaps, we struggle with answers as to why? Only the mind of one so depraved as the shooter can answer, we are truly a nation in mourning. Let us continue to pray and that those that have survived can one day overcome this.

In 1994 living in WI, I was the first person on the scene of a policeman killed by a father and son team during their get-away from a bank robbery. The events of yesterday have brought back that day and those images which have been running through my head since yesterday. Bad enough I saw this at age 29...nevermind 5-10 which the survivors are. Pray for these children as well that they get the lifelong therapy they will need to deal with these memories.

The real issue here, IMO, is the mind set of the perpetrator, who must have been very deranged and very full of anger. We may never know the fine details, but the problem of mental illness today is bigger than ever. The availability of guns simply lets such a sick person "vent"his anger more easily. This tragic event is just a symptom of poor recognition and treatment of mental illness in this country, not to mention the general breakdown of the family unit. Did the news mention whether this Lanza monster had a father?

The real issue besides grieving for the loss of innocents is why were these weapons and ammunition not secured?
This fellow apparently had Asperger syndrome and the Mother was aware of it and it's symptoms. If this proves to be the case.. leaving the weapons of mass destruction available to a person with this type of mental problem is the height of stupidity. Irrisponsible weapons security seems to have cost her her life.

When I'm out and about I am always sciencious of what's going on around me, force of habit I guess. Today I saw alot more mother's and father's out with their little kids holding on to them as to never letting them go. It was hard watching them and knowing the reason why they were spending time together today more than usual.

Much or the tragety has yet to be witten! Next will be anger directed at those who are perceived as those with any bit responsible! History has shown not much can be done to protect ourselves against a madman with a self believed mandate. I'm sure the entire assault was filmed on closed cameras. I hope!

For the sake of the parents and loved ones I hope no video was made. If one was made it should be filed away for very few to see. God help the parents if the media gets one. Bill

It is a shame that it takes a incident such as this to cause kids to be cherished.

I believe they were always cherished but mearly a new reality that everyone one is vulnerable! "Safe" has a whole new meaning! Add an 'almost'!!!!!!!!!

roger that,

The gunman forced his way into the kindergarten-through-fourth-grade school, authorities said. He took three guns into the school — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both semiautomatic pistols, and a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle, according to an official who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The weapons were registered to his slain mother, Looks like we now know what weapons were used , just not why. We know it takes no marksman to do this , but it does take someone with a warped mind, there can be no words to describe how these parents must be feeling.

Forgive me, please! The parent or "weapon owner" is/must be held accountable for access to owned firearms. God knows that this Lady has been accounted for. We as owners must have ABSOLUTE, COMPLETE control of all of our weapons and accept that responsibility. We must insist that those among us that have weapons also accept this responsibility. I am a life member of NRA (Distinguished), retired military and I shall say "Merry Christmas" to all that I share this wonderful season of blessing with. Folks it is time to get back to what the good Lord helped us form this wonderful Nation on. Stand up, be heard, be humble, be grateful and be prepared. God bless us all. THAT IS ALL!

Up to today, all of the reports have been that the 223 caliber rifle was in the car and the Glock & Sig Sauer were the weapons used.

The way things keep changing, it is difficult to believe what they are saying about some of the details. Remember, an official who spoke on the condition of anonymity said (at first) that it was the brother who did it.

roger that

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I think our pants would turn brown if we found out how many truly stupid, irresponsible people had access to firearms. It is, of course, our right to bear arms; however, I think we should treat it as a privilege--and there are too many who do not. This mother apparently allowed him to access three!

Incredibly sad case.
Since the shooter was apparently diagnosed with a mental condition,I want to hear from the Doctor,psychoanalyst,whoever, who certified this guy as"not a danger to himself or others" and let him out on the streets instead of being locked in a institution!
That person has some explaining to do!:grr:
Bob

There are cinics out there that are certain the "Assualt Rifle" was added to the mix later, since the aim of this administration is to ban these sort of weapons, regarless of the fact that it had NOTHING to do with this sad incident.

They announced the names and ages of both the children and adults whose lives are lost this morning! Thats when it really hit me, when numbers finally had a real impact. The kept going on and on! I must commend those who are facing and trying to cope with this our nations' tragedy in our hearts, familys to our communities and nation. The scars are deep and will forever be a reminder. Its time to offer a longer hug, kinder words and a new reality of how precious our lives are. Times like this I'm especiallly proud to be an American and grandfather!

When it was announced yesterday that a 223 Bushmaster was used in the actual shooting, considering this admistration, Fast and Furious, Benghazi and heaven knows what else they have tried to cover up, the thought did cross my mind.

Very few people have been locked up since the early 1980s when the repubs decided that they should be mixed in with the general population.

A very sad incident. I even can't imagine how the parents and relatives suffers. But I think that the anti gun lobby will use this sad incident to go for their total goal, an almost total gun ban like in Japan.

This a the gun banners phantasy:
http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...deaths/260189/

I am extremely saddened by this event & praying for the families hurt by this madness!

I do also feel that the mother was partially to blame for not securing her weapons properly. No securing of valuables or weapons is perfect but if done right can discourage those whose might try to steal them. The way I have my weapons secured by the time a thief was able to reach them the police would have been on the scene 10 minutes already.

What lew1 has said here is unfortunately very true. Very few mentally disturbed people are locked up anymore until AFTER they have perpetrated something horrible like this in our present world. Plus more than likely the shooter is usually killed & if not ends up in prison anyway. Asylums have been another casualty of our overpriced, malpractice litigation scared health industry.

The anti-gun zealots will try to use this to push more legislation that persecutes law abiding gun owners without trying to deal with the real issue which is trying to recognize these problem people and deal with them before they get to the point of doing these horrible things. They might as well try to also ban hardware stores for proving the components to make pipe bombs or even kitchen utensils because they can also be used to kill.

Sorry for the rant but this brings up a lot of emotion in me but I know it is nothing compared to the sorrow those families are experiencing in CT, the families from the mall shooting a few days earlier and also those suffering from the Aurora event of a few months ago!

roger that

They may someday try to outlaw ammunition totally!! Back to flintlocks!

Sometimes I wonder if the gun industry itself is doing us an extreme disservice. The more the anti-gun folks scream about "military-style assault" weapons, the more folks push back with sometimes seemingly in your face "tactical gear" and such. I've been amazed at the way firearms are being marketed lately. Almost like the next logical step in your video gaming. Bleeding zombie targets, zombie ammo, one commercial played on the radio for a local gun shop has a dad threatening his daughter's boyfriend with a shotgun. I know, funny stereotype and all, but really? At my local gun range, the people that buy into all this hype scare me, and certainely don't advertise for us well as they blast away at people silhouettes and zombies on the 100yd rifle range with their new "black ops" AR15's. Did you notice in the news the police have been questioning folks at the gun ranges to see if the shooter had been practicing for his mass murder there? I've even seen zombie targets that look like our President. People think its a joke, I don't.
Marc

Very true! I have never gotten the whole zombie targets & shotgun ammo thing. When I go to the range to shoot my shotgun it's to either do trap or skeet. I too have seen these bleeding zombie torsos, zombie paper targets, and exploding targets and figure it's video games and other entertainment media (movies, films) that is driving this and wonder a little about those who get into guns & shooting for that reason.

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