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New Member & my newly bought 41 byf 'Black Widow'
I've already posted a few pictures of my luger today but those were close up shots on certain parts asking technical questions. I just thought I might as well post the entire thing. Enjoy! Oh, and sorry for the picture overload.
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also, picked her up for 2k. Did I get jipped?
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There are a few parts that show suspicously little bluing wear, but I'm going to assume that it is just the photos (or my old eyes...). To me $2k for a late P08 seems borderline on the high side, but if the finish is original and all numbers match (except mag, grips) then it is no ordinary old warhorse. Enjoy!
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Yup I think it's just the photos! All parts matching, grips are authentic and so is mag (no serial number on mag (it's an fxo) and the grips don't have one either but somebody put 'byf 02' on the inside of them Here's another one up close of whatever area of the luger this is (receiver block? )
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James,
You should find the number "5" stamped on the inside of the trigger plate. Marc |
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I wouldn't say you got ripped off, but you did pay top dollar! Good news is the price on these original finished Lugers will always appreciate. So you will not lose out over time.
What is the serial number with suffix under the barrel on the frame? Bob |
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402 is the serial number and the suffex looks to be an L, I think. Cursive, of course. Could be a cursive I but I'm pretty sure it's an L |
Nice gun, but has it been refinished? The firing pin appears blued.
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I agree that some of the small stuff looks like it just came out of the bluing tank. But then other parts, side plate, etc, show very light but honest bluing wear. It is a tough call. Sky: If it is important to you to know if the finish has been messed with, I'd like to see more photos, including better light on the firing pin, the underside of the toggle, side of the toggle assy, etc. Natural light, no flash. Regardless, it is a nice late P08. dju |
Oh man I hope it hasn't been refinished :/ The guy I bought it from said nothing of refinishing work.
I'll snap some pictures tomorrow and post them and then you guys can let me know what you think! |
With Lugers, there is no such thing as picture overload. I love looking at the photos posted on this forum.
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At that price you probably should have gotten athe holster and tool.
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It looks 100% original with some storage wear on the left side. At the price you paid, you did just fine. Add a holster, tool and second mag to it and it would easilt bring 3K.
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Ok so I couldn't do natural lighting because it's dark out so I did it under a lamp. If these photos still aren't sufficient to tell if it's been refinished, just say so and i'll go out tomorrow afternoon and shoot some more outside
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You got a keeper. Enjoy!
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so, would using a silicon wiping cloth on this badboy be ok? I noticed that when applied it makes the finish look like it's been oiled, but then it starts to dry and leaves interesting marks (whipe-offable) on the finish. |
Just use a soft cloth with light oil (I use 3 in 1 ) and wipe it down periodically. Same with the bore. Bill
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Some places look to me like they need a good old fashioned cleaning. But nothing harsh - nothing abrasive. Mostly just TLC. Check this site for handy cleaning techniques.
Enjoy and preserve. Jack |
So I just noticed that all the other lugers I've seen have a silver safety bar thing I've seen (the piece that pops up when you put the safety on) and mine seems to be black; did some come with black ones?
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No, this would be a serious indication of a reblue. Are you sure that it hasn't simply darkened from skin oils over time?
With the top cannon removed, raise this bar and look at the backside to see if that's in the white. |
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looking at the pictures, it looks like the alignment marks on the barrel to the frame are off set. Cant quite tell in these pics, as they are a little blurry.
Could this mean a new barrel at some point in time? |
Based partly on the safety bar and firing pin being blued, I believe your pistol to have been refinished.
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Also, the inside "5" digit on your trigger plate looks like it has serifs on the digit.
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps89b5b6cd.jpg I haven't seen one with tooling marks like that (although it wasn't a normally visible area). It is hard to see exactly what's in there from the photo. I can't actually tell if it is a "5" digit. I don't believe that Mauser used dies inside there with serif fonts. They were simple sans serif fonts. Your pistol's side plate should have the first digit of your serial number +1. Your serial digits are 402 so the number "5" should be stamped in there. Often when a side plate was missing, you looked for one with the same last 2 digits stamped on the outside. This part fitment is critical to the function of the Luger, so Mauser started linking the plate to the specific firearm it left the factory on. for that reason one plate in 10,000 will be numbered to match a Mauser Luger. If the number 5 isn't stamped inside the plate, it was replaced at some point. Marc |
The "5"is there, but as mentioned, with a serif font and alot of tooling marks obscuring it, which is unusual.
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FYI
The L shaped lever in the back of your side plate is normally in the white and not blued. Also, the S shaped rear toggle coupling link is normally in the white. Tom |
Tom,
I have one rather odd "42" date military proofed Banner (all matching) that I think was assembled after the war at Oberndorf from parts (speculation). It is the only Luger I have with the trigger plate pin blued. Oddly, it's snapped of on the inside, with the snapped off area blued also... Marc |
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That is why I said "normally" in the white. One never knows what has happened to these guns in their lifetime. Now I believe the trigger plate lever PIN should be blued. Tom |
hmmm :( I thought I was buying an original finish luger. Guess I should have came here first! This L shaped thing on the back of the side plate, is that the trigger plate lever pin? Also, I did a quick google on rear toggle links and some come up blued (or at least black) on all of them.
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No, the "L" shaped thing is the Trigger lever itself. The Lever pin would be the little bent rod, that holds the trigger lever into the sideplate at the bottom.
I'm not sure what you looked at when researching "toggle links", but what the members here were referring to was the tiny little pin, which secures the larger toggle axel pin in place. This little pin can be seen on the top, left hand side of the toggle joint, next to the knurled finger knob when looking down on the toggle. This tiny pin is supposed to be in the white, not blued. |
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I was referring to the coupling link here.
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