Herman Goering's Personal Pistol
 

Hey look, it's Herman Goering's Personal Pistol!

Only $8,000!

Act now!

H

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=285779574

One guy saw a Jade Buddy statue on a business trip (he collects those things and always pays attention to those stone stuff). The seller wanted $30,000. His offer was $500. The gap was too big, and the transaction could not go forward in the first day. 2nd day repeated the scene. On the 3rd day, he checked out of the hotel with his luggage, and passed the jade seller's store again. His offer was same, $500. The seller put the statue in his hands, "it's yours".

It is known that Goering possessed many guns, both long and hand. I would personally doubt that he would be proud to have owned this Walther in such sorry shape! And not even gold plated!

I've been looking for a jade Buddha statue since I first saw one back in 1971 on Okinawa...Well, not actually jade...I'm sure it was plaster...but I really wanted one with a clock in its belly... :rolleyes:

Never have found one...Yet... :thumbup:

(But an AF buddy found this in a war surplus shop...but I don't think it's a Buddha...) :p

I'm amazed this is even out there. The seller makes ABSOLUTELY NO GOERING connection with the capture papers via serial number! And Goering must have been a real cowboy, as the holster is cut down for "quick draw" GI style pistol removal.

What a crock!!

Strange, very strange. I always thought goering carried a 30-30 gauge, semi automatic, lever action, pump gun. It is so rare that it has never, ever shown up for sale, not even at Simpsons.

So, maybe the local pawn shop then?

Actually I'm quite sure it's authentic. You can plainly see the peening on the magazine floor plate which could only come from pounding in miniature nails in his model railway at Karinhall.

And how could one even imagine that the flawless engraving was done one late night over beers at the Sears watch counter?

Such a pity that such a treasure has moved on to "another venue"....

H

Hey, guys...Look closely at the engraved inscription. They misspelled "Goring".


:roflmao:

I've seen [read] the English translations of his name spelled both ways [Goering/Goring]; and with and without the umlaut...

Wikipedia spells it Goring... :rolleyes:

(And a quick search shows both "Herman" and "Hermann")

I would have been more inclined to believe Goering's WW I carry pistol, whatever it might have been...{Flashback to "Flyboys", where the hero shoots down the Black Falcon with a French revolver)... :roflmao:

So...Since Goering was a WW I "ace", what would he have carried as a sidearm??? In his flying/WW I days...

Yes, I now have found both spellings as well. I wonder how he spelled it himself?
There is that famous film of him surrendering himself to US forces at the end of WW2 where he turns over a large framed S&W revolver.

It would be "Göring". I think this could possibly be a gift from Goering, but I seriously doubt that it's his personal gun.

Maybe he ordered a couple hundred of them to give away...Like the US President & his 'signing pens'... :rolleyes:

Yep, it's just a cheap pocket pistol with engraving that actually appears to be typical for that period, so I suspect it's kind of a "Here's a little something from the Luftwaffe" type of gift. If it's authentic (which I actually think it is), I'd suspect that it was more or less mass produced, and not necessarily handed out by Goering himself either.

Yet I have never seen another one turn up. My guess is that an occupying GI had it engraved in Germany immediately post war to boost his bragging rights.

Some points to consider...
 

I am reasonably knowledgeable in German (but, certainly no expert).

In the North, the umlaut was not really used. The sound was made when speaking; but, it was written with its non-umlauted two letters depending on the word.

The Third Reich "modernized" German. They did away with the Gothic alphabet and replace it with the Roman and simplified the non-umlauted German with umlauted equivalents.

The umlaut originated in the southern parts of Germany and Austria as did Hitler and the Nazi movement. So the umlaut would have been very familiar to them. They also associated the Gothic alphabet with the Old Prussian aristocracy which they wanted to marginalize for political reasons.

In modern German, names like Goethe have officially been replaced with the simplified: Göte (notice how the 'th' has been dropped in favor of the single’t’).

Now, having said all of that, you always can find exceptions and as I said I am no expert. But, everything I have said is true to the best of my knowledge.

So, my point in all of this is that a presentation Luger associated with Göring would not have the 'Goring' spelling (this is English) and, most likely, the older 'Goering' spelling would have been considerd im-proper German.

This is my humble 0.02USD worth.

Richard

Here is a presentation blade to 'Hermann Göring'.

"Göring" should be the correct spelling, and when you Google "Goering autograph" you'll find several examples of that Goering himself did write his name that way. It seems like this is what the engraving says too, but the picture is not good enough to tell for sure. Even if this is a genuine WWII engraving and spelled correctly, I'm sure that this pistol is not as significant as the seller states. It's just not the kind of pistol you would give to the head of the Luftwaffe.

Well, besides the Göring spelling issue, his rank is written incorrectly: it should be Generalfeldmarschall, as a one single word.

He was promoted to Generalfeldmarschall on 04-Feb-1938) and to Reichsmarschall on 19-Jul- 1940.

Douglas.

Look at the gun more carefully guys. The "o" does have an umlaut.

Nobody has said anything about the "capture paper". I know these things had some variation, but there was a form, and this isn't it. Also, when did you see a form signed by a Major... one who didn't know his branch... or unit?

And what's this business about "firearms capable of being concealed on the person"? (Which this rather obviously is). Sounds like post 1968 Vietnam era language, not WWII.

And kind of an odd date too, right before the surrender, 3rd Army was moving pretty fast over the Rhine into Germany just then, busy time wasn't it? Would people be fooling around with capture papers? And in the wrong place too - wasn't it the 7th Army that took the Eagle's Nest?

Plus, usually I think of capture papers as being summer or later 1945 or into 1946.

Anybody know about capture papers?

H

I initially thought so too, Ron, but now I'm leaning to specks of dust, mainly because they do not seem centered over the "o" and because there are a number of similar specks all over the gun, (it is filthy and poorly maintained in general).

I also wonder about the simple initial "H". I'm not sure Goering's ego would allow for anything less than the full spelling of his name.

Another question: are those the vestiges of Gold or Silver plating on the frame?, (if so, that might lend some creedence to the story) or were the these pistol's frames made of some alloy which would wear that much differently than the slide, whose blueing is largely intact?

I noticed that too, and I have seen the same effect on parts that are hardened differently. Haven't seen this on any other Walthers though, so I'm pretty sure it's something else... Could be plating, could be a mismatched pistol with a severely worn frame and a slide from Goering's stash of spare parts?

Postie, how 'bout finding a plaster one and retrofitting it with a clock? Careful, though, doing this may cause your Karma to runoover your Dogma...

Oh, and here are the matching fireplace andirons... I have a plasma cutter and a MIG welder, can I get $1,400 a set too?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=288764321

I think RM Göring very often was seen with an
smith and wesson or webley revolver ...

Otto

What exactly are they and what has the current owner of these big swastikas been using them for the past 40 year?, must have been like a gorilla in the room when company came over.

Azlaw the andirons are mine. I have had them in my possession for over 20 years the last owner is 92 and still punching . I CAN ASSURE YOU MY FRIEND The story posted is not a story. As to the size have you seen photos of fireplaces you can walk into.? I have. Plasma cutter MY ASS till you know what you are looking at for FACT best keep quiet my friend.

Richard,

Can you add anything else to what has been posted? This is fascinating! One of the few examples of a real MP36 SMG in existence also came out of the ruins of Karinhall.

But what are they, as in what purpose do they perfom in this big fire? not being cheeky I realy have no idea what Iam looking at here.

Hi Alanint I have that article about the MP36 quite and interesting story. Wonder where thet damn thing is at now. Those andirons were taken out of one of the destroyed buildings on the property but they did come off the estate. In one of the german books on it they are pictured. Im still looking for the photos. With no luck.

Andwaahs they hold the logs.......

Fine items, a little difficult to display round my way, but certainly unique. good luck with the sale.