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Found another Luger I might potentially be buying. Need input.
Hello yesterday I found a Mauser BYF 42 P.08 marked Luger it looks to be a "black widow" but was fitted with brown plastic grips seen on Krieghoff made Lugers... I want to say it was refinished because it looks LNIB as in zero wear and or rust that I could see. The bore was also very shiny with no traces or signs of pitting.. I was told by the dealer he bought 18 guns from an older gentleman because he was moving out of state.
It also comes with two mags one being a P.08 marked mag with black plastic base and the body of the mag has the "FXO" marking present, the second mag has the standard wooden bottom with a few markings that I can't recall. He also has a holster that was also purchased with the Luger but I believe it's a P.38 holster given it is marked as such on the back.. also someone's name has been carved inside the flap of the holster.. Well the listed price is $799 before tax but I could possibly walk out the door with it for $750 because Ive done quite a bit of business as said shop. He admits to know nothing about Lugers and thinks it's a Russian capture but there are no markings to label it as such. Also all the serial numbers are matching. So my question is does this sound like a good deal and does this sound like a R/C to anyone? He is also trying to sell a 1943 Mauser P38 for around $599 before tax if anyone cares to chime in if that's a good deal or not. |
Grab it at that price, IF the grips look like TRUE Kreighoff grips and not VoPo or Russian Capture grips.
There is a genuine 42 variation that was issued with Krieghoff grips, (see Jan Still's recent post) and the grips alone are worth almost half of the asking price, if original. |
Briefly reading over your note I want to say run, don't walk, back to the shop and buy it. The mags. and holster will cover your investment, and the gun sounds honest. This is the kind of deal that we all dream of.
Are there any X's over the numbers? Of course it would be nice to see pictures before going too far out on the limb. dju |
No there are no x's of any kind on the numbers and no import marks, the serials all match to every part and the only other marking beside the serial numbers is the proof marks, the eagle, swastikas, ect ect and of course the P.O8 marking itself. I wanna say the grips are legit they don't look like repros and there is no chip around the safety.
As for being VOPO's there is nothing on the grip they look just like these grips http://luger.gunboards.com/uploaded/...um-flyer-E.jpg |
well, any nice looking P08 is worth $600, and easily $700 for a nice, unmessed looking one. The P38 holster, say $75 for one that has been cut down or messed with, $125-$200 for one in good shape, the wood mag is worth $50-$135, as with all things, it depends on originality and condition :)
Ed |
Hi Brandon, The pictures you have posted are of the new production Krieghoff that retails for about $18,000.00. If this is the gun that is being offered to you, something is very wrong. Regards, Norm
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I posted the pic as a reference that the grips on the Krieghoff in the pic above is the same grips I saw on the Luger at the gun shop I was at. Because the poster above asked if it was a VOPO.
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It's a good deal, go for it. One thing i have found out about quality firearms as i have gotten older, they are money in the bank. In fact better in most cases, cd's earn next to nothing, but lugers like other quality firearms just keep going up. Where i live lugers bring a premuim and you find a good one you best buy it, it will not be around for long. You can allways make more money, you can't do that with lugers.
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If the grips look like your photo then they are most likely real, (I don't recall anybody reproducing anything but Black Bakelite grips).
You cannot go wrong buying this gun!! |
thanks for the input guys im going back today to try and buy it! :D
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Well here she is I ended up walking out the door with it for $700 for the gun, both mags, and holster. I also went ahead and picked up a repro mag to use for shooting for like $30, So I have $730 in it.
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What's a nice way of saying "I hate You!!"?
Unbelievable score for the price....Congratulations!! Please send closeups as soon as you can! |
nice one congrats
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Wow... congratulations on a great find!
Balder |
Great buy! This gun looks super nice. The cost is unbelievable!
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Thanks guys! here are some pics of the holster it came with and the spare mag.. I am pretty sure the holster is a P.38 holster..but I don't know if it's reproduction or not......
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Nice Luger, I also have a BYF42 with the Krieghoff grips. What is the suffix letter of the serial number?
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I am not sure what the suffix is, where do I look for it? I mean under the serial number at the front it has something that looks like an "L" could that be it? Also here are some pics of the original mags.
one is marked P.08 with "FXO" along with some squiggly looking lines with the number 37 underneath that. The second mag has a wooden bottom with the numbers 1516 along with some little squiggly lines that i have no clue what they are lol..... http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...17052010_n.jpg Sorry for it being blurry..couldn't get the camera to focus. http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...09635097_n.jpg http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...45505864_n.jpg http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...65032121_n.jpg |
Brandon, Your P-38 holster looks good to me..
I have a very nice WW2 period Eagle 655 magazine that would fit with your pistol instead of the wood bottom one you have. Would you be interested in a trade? Jerry |
Possibly... is that the mag with the aluminum base to it?
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Brandon,
Your grips alone are worth about $300. |
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It's like a small lottery winning. This excellent Mauser Parabellum was sold lower than a rusty 1965 Chinese made tokarev on gunbroker.com a week ago (sold by armsblue.com, I lost the link).
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Brandon, Thanks for the pics..The Krieghoff grips look authentic to me with the threaded screw holes..I am sure someone will come along and authenticate them if that's possible with these photo's.
The .45 is a Union Switch & Signal Brandon was telling me about. |
Thanks Jerry! :D Yeah I would love to hear if the grips are authentic or not. I mean they look too new for me given the condition they are in. Whoever owned this gun took really good care of it... and yeah I am still jealous about that US&S! :D
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Brandon, what a lovely find! Nice work and for a good price, too. I think you have many of us envious! :) Well, I'm envious (at the very least).
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Thank you I don't wanna sound like I am bragging but I feel pretty good about myself being this is my second attempt at buying a Luger.. my first involved a 1920 commercial 30. Luger that I got for around $600ish for just the gun and one mag labeled Germany.This was my first Luger which I sold shortly after getting it because I couldn't find any ammo for it...now I got a Luger I got ammo for but I don't wanna shoot because of the value! >_<
My first Luger.. a 1920 DWM commercial in 7.65mm Luger. http://i33.tinypic.com/o09nrl.jpg http://i33.tinypic.com/2hp3ecy.jpg |
Just wanted to know if anyone else could chime in if the grips are original to this particular Luger it would be much appreciated it! :D
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are they numbred?, as far as shooting it, go for it ,just use the right ammo, we all pretty much agree on ww white box or american eagle, both of my lugers are just as rare and all original and i shoot them. enjoy your find.
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Brandon, Untill further notice I wouldn't worry that your grips are fake. They show all the charecteristics of good Krieghoff grips and none of being fake so far...
I have to disagree with the good Padre..He is welcome to spend his money any way he wants but shooting an all matching pistol like yours is inviting disaster. One broken numbered extractor or holdopen and the value is diminished considerably. Find yourself a shooter if it's something you want to run a lot of rounds through. Then you can feel comfortable if an extractor breaks that it is no problem to simply replace it. All matching Lugers are not something to abuse in my opinion. Jerry |
Yeah I agree with you, I don't plan to shoot it now after hearing about the numbers being all matching.. last night before I went to bed I went ahead and re oiled the gun and greased up all the rails. From now on it's gonna just stay in the safe and occasionally be brought out to show as a conversation piece. I was looking at possibly looking for one of the R guns Russian Capture Lugers I saw for around 699 as a shooter.. But I am still debating.
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Bakelite Grips were never numbered.
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Yeah that's what I thought.. I been reading up on Lugers on Phoenix investments for like two days in a row now...lol
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Brandon, Keep reading! Plenty of info out there..
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Brandon,
From what I can see, the value of the grips is a substantial portion of what you paid for the gun. Just the icing on the cake. Good for you (and thank you for not shooting it :)) |
Brandon, listen to the experts on here, not an old fool like me, they know what they are doing, you can learn a ton from them. Besides i use to jump out of prefectly good airplanes or sometimes was helped out. Great looking luger, again congrats
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One of their guns listed on GB got very good offer, if owner had listed it him/herself, it's sold. But owner probably won't have this type of offer. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=277436050 |
Brandon..Check out the photo's on this eBay offering.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-Era-Ger...item4cff516856 |
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