Anyone here like machine guns........
 

I visited a friend this week with deep pockets and a passion for machine guns. You are looking at about a million bucks worth of guns. He has 5000 rounds of ammo for each gun you see.

Please enjoy I did,
Harry

A few more.......
 

A great place to spend the day......

That's amazing!!! :eek:

That you have a friend, I mean... :D

















Seriously, nice collection! ;)

I'm really not as bad as you may think, just don't like to be picked on............

Harry

Does he have a FG 42 Fallschirmjaegergewehr rifle??? Specifically, the one with the sharply raked pistol grip???

Man, you just blew by me at 150 MPH, sorry I have no idea what you are asking, but I can find out the next time I talk to him though.

Harry

That would be a first model. There are none in the photos and at $100K, plus. There are not many out there.

Awesome collection. Stuff that a man's dreams are made of.

Charlie

Wiki link -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FG_42

and a pic - magazine goes in left side, 90º to the receiver -

That Lewis Machine Gun is an interesting firearm.

My father was in the Navy, and trained at Great Lakes Naval Training Center. I stopped by the Center in Illinois a couple of years ago when they were renovating their museum. When I walked in, it was apparent that it wasn't quite open yet...

Some of the Navy cadets were cleaning firearms from the museum collection. The curator saw me, and after we chatted, I offered to help...

You see, they had the Admiral's personal Lewis Machine Gun out and apart on the table, as well as a Spencer Rifle that had been modified as a line thrower.

I spent the afternoon with the cadets learning about both firearms up close and personal.

The museum is at: http://www.greatlakesnavalmuseum.org/ on the web...

That's me with the Spencer rifle on their volunteer page:

http://www.greatlakesnavalmuseum.org/en/volunteer/

Marc

Back in the late 70's/80's, my partner Jim and I would take an MG-34 'parts kit' MG (from Golden Enterprises - Sarco's back door) w/dummy receiver to gun shows as a table display...There was another vendor who had a raked-grip FG-42 on display...(this was way before AirSoft had models)...Really interesting; he'd come over and look at our MG-34 and we'd go look at his FG-42... :D

Sadly, BATF leaned on the organizers and they banned MG displays...Even dummy displays... :(

I recall reading that Rheinmetall-Borsig had only made ~5,000 FG-42's...Back in the 70's, they were selling for ~$5,000... :eek:

Looking at my inflation calculator http://146.142.4.24/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl that translates to ~$20,000 now...

Yeah, I liked that one too, that's why I took a picture of it by itself. I'm going back in a couple of weeks and I told him I wanted to shoot the BAR and I would clean it.....:thumbup:

Harry

Harry..I'm tellin ya..shoot the MP40 and the Thompson! If you can..shoot the MP40 long range, They are amazingly accurate at 200 yards!

I would love to shoot a Thompson, but he sold his, didn't like it, go figure............:confused:

Harry

I can't imagine anyone not liking a Thompson!! They are just.......well awesome. Yuor firend has some very nice pieces. Thanks for the photos.

I have a 28 Thompson and an MP40. I prefer the MP40 hands down. The Tommy is not really ergonomic and sits awkwardly when brought up for sight aiming. It is heavy and the ammo is now expensive. I agree that the MP40 is very accurate. My group has informal shoots where we toss dayglo clay pigeons on the berm at 100 yards. The object is to hit at least 25 out of thirty with a 30round load in your subgun. I regularly win by single shooting the MP40 through trigger control. After much practice it is easy to hit each target with a single shot.

[QUOTE=The Tommy is not really ergonomic and sits awkwardly when brought up for sight aiming. [/QUOTE]

I thought that was the point of a Thompson, you didn't have to aim.......:)

Harry

Harry..I thought that was the point of a Thompson, you didn't have to aim.

That's a rookie Soldiers mistake. Spray and pray. One hit is worth more than a hundred misses.

And Doug has a VERY good point..where I fought ammunition was precious. You could only carry so much and you didn't waste it. Getting more was not assured.

Without getting too windy if you study the development and use of the submachine gun it was used for specific purposes, Trench sweeping, going forward thru an ambush..Only the squad leader generally carried an MP40 in the German units. Everyone else carried rifles.

[QUOTE=lugerholsterrepair;197174]
That's a rookie Soldiers mistake. Spray and pray. One hit is worth more than a hundred misses.QUOTE]

Ask those cats in the Chicago garage on St. Valentines day if aiming is necessary. I agree with the one hit statement, but if that's what your seeking in battle, use a M1Garand.......:thumbup:

Harry

Harry the submachine gun was not developed for urban warfare. However it DOES work well there as you say!

Only the squad leader generally carried an MP40 in the German units. Everyone else carried rifles.

I would just like to say to all you gentlemen and especially Jerry for reminding me you can still have fun on a forum without watching every little thing you say, to all of you, keep your sense of humor and your passion for the things you enjoy. Thank you !!!

Harry

I have heard the the GI that carried the BAR was a favorite target because of his fire power, true ?

Harry

Harry I am sure the target of choice for any enemy Soldier is the squad automatic weapon whatever it might have been. The M-60 gunner was always a favorite target in my squad. That and boneheaded LT's that wouldn't carry a full size M-16 (CAR) a d-handled shovel or sandbags. They stood out like a herpes sore on a prom date. Hard to miss!

The XM177 Colt Sound Moderator was Colt's attempt to make the XM177 series (CAR 15) sound like a full size M16 to avoid this sound vectoring issue. It failed miserably, as anybody who has seem both fired side by side would attest. The VC and NVA would always know who the butter bar was....

I like the Walther subgun. The MPL.

Saddam's taste was a little pimpish..................:eek:
Harry

Drug dealers get in on the act too.

Harry

Are the Guns full auto or modified to semi auto?
is it legal to own a full auto in the USA.?
Alf.

All fully auto, all you need is a 300 dollar permit, or whatever it's called. They are illegal in a few states with high crime rates, but not Oklahoma where I live.

Harry

Harry
Thanks for the great thread!
Living in CA doesn't give me much of a chance to shoot or view machine guns.So when I do, it is a great treat.
Many years ago I visited the now closed J. Curtis Earl Machine Gun Collection at Falcon Field,in Mesa AZ. What a amazing collection that was.

Have you ever visited the Tojhus Arms Museum in Copenhagen Denmark? If not,add it to your bucket list.
It is suppose to be the largest weapons museum in the world and I believe it!
I visited it BC (Before Kids) ,when I had money. The firearms display began with cannons made of cast iron rods,bound together by cast iron straps.It ended with Honest John rockets and most every firearm in between.
The machine gun collection was very impressive.Almost every variety of machine gun made.Many in the original shipping containers.
The staff had to throw me out at closing time. Those Danes are so punctual!

Bob

A couple of clarifications;

The transfer tax is $200 per gun.

They are not necessarily unlawful in high crime states. They are unlawful in states with Liberal, Leftist goverments.

J Curtis Earl was one of the original, high profile machinegun dealers. His ads used to run in American Rifleman and shotgun news. J Curtis, however, was a bit of a scoundrel. If sent a valuable gun, like a Colt Thompson, for repair, appraisal or sale, you could be sure the original innards would be stripped out and poorer examples or copies replaced.

The old MoD Pattern Room in England was/is by far the largest firearms reference collection in the world, although it has since been split up and sent to several locations after the passing of Herb Woodend, The Pattern Room's curator. It was and still is the most fantastic assemblage of firearms in the world.

Thanks for straightening that out, I wasn't sure.

I would like you to see what you do in June in Oklahoma to have fun. You can shoot ANYTHING.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMcIKdKraRw

Here is what you can rent, you can also buy.

http://www.oklahomafullauto.com/MachineGun.html

Come to Oklahoma, we would love to have you visit, friendly folks, good food and you won't need a sweater.

Harry

I should have noted that States that are run by Liberal, Leftists goverments are BY DEFINITION high crime states!! :roflmao:

Oklahoma does have several, well run shoots every year. I try to attend both Kobb Creek, Kentucky shoots each year.
A friend used to run a really nice shoot in Taos, NM, but stopped organizing it some years ago.
We in Florida are no slouches, having several shoots here per year along with our private shoots every month.
Thanks for the Invite, Harry!

Hi Doug, By whose definition? Here, in order, are the top ten States in violent crime:
#1 South Carolina
#2 Tennessee
#3 Nevada
#4 Florida
#5 Louisiana
#6 Alaska
#7 Delaware
#8 Maryland
#9 New Mexico
#10 Michigan
Regards, Norm

Did you notice the little laughing head next to my comment, Norm? That means its tongue in cheek.

That being said, just because your governor may be Conservative, that does not represent the majority of the state. The vast majority of this country leans center-left, according to Gallup;

http://www.gallup.com/poll/114016/st...filiation.aspx

Actually, Doug, while Denver and Boulder (where I live) are heavily Democratic, the rest of the State is quite red. It's been my experience that it's not politics but real estate, that drives gun regulation. States with a lot of open space, like mine, have very liberal gun laws, while congested cities like Chicago and Washington, DC, try to control gun ownership. Not because they have "liberal, leftist governments", but because they are dangerous places. Best regards, Norm

I'll concede some of that, although it does not explain Connecticut, Michigan, California or New York, for that matter, where there are plenty of wide open spaces outside the liberal run cities, yet the entire state must suffer the anti MG legislation thanks to liberal goverments.
In the vain of previous posts featuring gun bling and impressive gun collections, on a Luger site, I bring it all together with this photo of Herbie Woodend, the long time curator of MoD's Pattern Room, holding a blinged out long barreled Luger. At the time of his death, Herb probably possesed the most profound general firearms knowledge on earth..

[IMG]http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/o...Herb/herb2.jpg[/IMG]

Alanint
It is my understanding that to view the Ministry of Defense Pattern Room,you must apply in advance and be approved. Is this correct?
I would love to visit it someday.
Bob

Hi Bob,

Sadly, the collection was split up and moved to Notthingham, Leeds and other locations, so it is no longer all in one place. You did need an appointment to enter and handle the guns, but through several acquaintances strong friendship with Herb, the tour was really "nothing off limits".
I thinks the bulk of the collection is at Notthingham, but someone may correct me on this.

Doug,
Thanks for the photo of Herb. Another legend in our time.