Anatomy Of A 1920 Luger Carbine
 

I got up the nerve to take apart my 1920 luger carbine. All matching. Simply beautiful. No inport markings anywhere for whatever that means!

Interesting that the Luger carbine provided a sight on the rear toggle while the artillery did away with this due to the barrel mounted sight.

I'm trying to research this serial number to find out where it fell and any significantce it might have.

also interesting it is long frame with short receiver and what looks like a spacer between the barrel mount flange and the receiver

does # on the receiver front lug ( bottom of the slide at front ) match last part of the frame serial ? ie = 31 or 231 ?

thanks for sharing pictures
Bill

Every single one is '31' including the stock. I'm not exactly sure to what part you reffering but I'm sure its '31'!

Stock irons on 1920 carbines I have seen or had never were numbered. No DWM numbered stock was ever numbered with just the last two digits unless it was a two digit serial number gun.

George you may be right do you notice any more modifications? You opinions are priceless especially You can smell a rat and at the very least question what you feel are questionable! I will fiurther investigate your very valued concern!

I was of the impressions that 1920 carbines were generally made up from left over parts from WW1 and fell into the grouping of the 1920 commercials. The long frame may have been from a Navy or Swiss luger, the rest just beeing cobbled together. Many of these 1920 carbines possess their own unique features. I don't believe that they were in any way "faked" although later "mechanics" could have made some.

Is there a difference?

I decided to let you decide. There is just one serial number, no inport marks. I did blowups of the frame... The stock lug might me funky! ps You have a rare opportunity to correct luger history.

In response to George's question: "Nope!"

My question is why is there a t suffix on the underside of the compensator?

I found a reference in French in Henrotins book. Can anyone translate? Merci Boucoup!

Eric,

I will not make a literal translation but will try to help.

The gun displayed in Henrotin is a Navy Carbine as can be found described in Kenyon on Pages 190/191. The verbiage is almost identical between the two authors.

But..this is not your gun. Your carbine displays all the characteristics of the 1920 Carbine. Externally, just looking at the forearm tells you that. Checkering and attachment are different in the two variations.

I am puzzled by the SN. Others on this forum, much more knowledgeable about the period will tell you that the SN falls in the DWM29 period and is literally in the middle of the range in Dwight's list that is dominated by Police sear safety guns.

Again, apologies but this is not my area of expertise so I cannot even speculate on the similarities of the SN on your carbine and the range of DWM SNs that are documented.

DWM were pretty careful about not producing guns that had the same SN unlike the Swiss who in the early days could have multiple guns with the same SN, e.g. the saga of the standard issue Military, the "A" series and the 'E" series. But I digress.

Sorry not to be of further help.

John

Thank you ever so much!
 

The only thing that I question is the lack of "GERMANY" Was it geered to domestic use? There also remain the "31' on the stock lug. It was pointed out that a mere 2 digit imprint was incorrect. Merci!

My best guess is someone made this up and stamped the numbers to match. Bill

Eric, What is the number in the very bottom of your forearm?

'31' the same on all the parts

What would be correct??

Eric,

Good points. I am less concerned about the lack of "Germany" as these guns were made for many markets that did not require a statement of origin. But you are correct in that most guns shipped to the USA would have had Made in Germany or Germany stamped on them.

But..as I wrote, the serial number and the numbering is a puzzle.

John

IThink The Proof Lies Herein
 

They could never duplicade these pieces!!!

And Thats Why We Love Them!
 

Wher else would you find so much intrigue!! Legal Addiction!! And thank You for your imput!!!

Hidden Carbine Stash Spot
 

Ask myself whats behind the carbine plastic butt plate and to me surprise was 2 ten inch holes which immediatly reminded me of those High Times magazine that only my room mate would subscribe. I guess it would be to make the stock lighhter which makes no sence what so ever. Where there simular holes on the earlier 1902 model?? The orchids are for You!

The holes in your stock were there to help your stock dry out
faster.What I want to know is why your rear togell has a
sight on it? And is there a number on it,would like to see a
picture of it. Would also like to know who you bought this
gun from?
Thanks George
P.S. Yes there were simular holes on the earlier 1902 carbine model.

Thanks for that explanation but if that the reason why don't other model share the same modification. As to your other inquiries on advise of my attorney I am forced to take the fifth!

Carbine Sights
 

If this is not correct

The only Model butt stock I know of were the 1902 and the 1920 butt stock for the Luger Carbine and bouth had these
holes in them to help them dry out souner and not to shrink
as much.
Thanks George

Were there any other firearm manufacturer recognized a perceived probem and continued to adress this problem useing this different technique? I was just wondering what if any they would influence the guns center of gravity, although I haven't given up on the secret stash suggestion! I hadn;t heard about this untill I took of mt butt plate and can't imagine I have never seen it discussed till now. Am I the only reader suffering from 'O.C. D? Aren't Lugers just wonderful??.

Interesting...Is that one of Eugene Golubtsov's early conversions??? It looks pretty good... :thumbup:

Who was Eugene Golubtsov? Sounds Russian pan!

AKA Lugerman. Yevgeny (sp?) Golubstov

Ya Robatau Na Za Vodya! Eric

Talk About A Hidden Impoprt Mark
 

Ive owned this for close to ten years and never spotted it anywhere!It was until I removed the grip for repair did I finally spoted it. Ever other carbine I observed the "GERMANY' on its side readily noticable! No other gun that I've owned has more markings including the stock '31' serial #3231t on almost every part including of course the barrel.