'SONS OF GUNS' ON Discovery Channel a must see
 

A new show centers on a family run gunshop in that makes customs fireguns such as a shotgun with a silencer. An assualt rifle/shotgun for swat teams. Truly facinating!! Even insprcting and fireing a beautiful confederate cannon from the civil war. If someone could add link or You can find it on 'discovery.com'

I've watched it from the beginning and I really enjoy it--good show.

Neil

I belong to a private list of real world operators, designers and manufacturers of weapons and systems.

Without intending to belittle anybody's opinion here, the real world gun people I am privileged to know all agree that this show is populated by clowns.

Just watching the Ma Deuce episode showed me who they are. They brought in a known M2 expert, (Christos) who I am familiar with. The show's star belittled Christo's attempts to impart some history and safety advice to the shop. Instead, they were more interested in getting the gun built fast. It was more "git 'er done" versus "let's be safe and knowledable". The final scenes showed them trying to get the M2 running without the benefit of a headspace/timing guage, (trial and error).
M2 out of batterys KILL!!!!
They even let the daughter up there for a try. They then were surprised when they lit a dry field on fire with an APIT round!
I really believe this show will prove to be a long term detriment to the shooting sports rather than a asset..

I'll second that....an M2 is nothing for yahoos to screw around with. I was at Ft Polk in the 80's, and some guy in another company didnt bother to use the headspace and timing gauge...it blew that heavy feed tray cover and the spade grip assy. clean off and messed him up pretty badly, but he lived.

Its for entertainment only I'm sure but dangreous
 

Years ago no one but a few even were aware of the art of gunmaking not to mention a the construction of a silencer. I fault them of educating that a silencer as any non_intended modification for any firearm such as a shotgun, a use for which I'm sure was never intended! I agree with You wholeheartedly! But then the old First amendment comes shining through! There are at any gunshow or computer site showing that almost anything is possible, therefore proboble~

They claim a 16db sound reduction for their "supressed" Saiga shotgun. This is really nothing by industry reduction standards. Shotguns are close quarter weapons that need to be handy and light, not have some beefy schnozz hung off the end.
This shop's customers are mostly Bubbas just looking for stuff that's "all tactical n' sh*t" (tm), not real world performance.
I personally know the top 6-7 suppressor designers and manufacturers in the US. They all collectively laughed at this..
As for the show's star...an attitude, a mouth and much scowling does not an informed, safe, knowlegable gun guy make!

The libs and gun grabbers are all smiling at this show knowingly....

Flaws I noticed.
Grenade launcher was not 40mm. It was 37mm flare launcher.
Only (1) one person is actually a gunsmith.
Like mentioned, needed to call in an M2 expert to put it together.
The under shotgun was crap. Barrel too long, semi-auto for 1 shot?, Magazine hanging down. Should have used a swivel locking, cut down single shot 10 ga. with an available specialized breeching load.
Cannon mounted in front on row boat was fake. They shot powder without a ball. Would have ripped the front of the wood boat off if packed and fired with cannon ball.
Custom built lightweight M-16? How much lighter can you get with cut down barrel, flat top receiver, shortened handguard and collapsible stock? Standard weight savings to me.

Overall, I honestly believe this show puts gun owners in a bad light. It's a good idea for a show but, the wrong business and darn wrong players.

'SONS OF GUNS' are availabe to see on 'You Tube'. I still can't master attachments!

Agreed!

I'd love to see a show about real gunsmithing.
But not this! Wow, so much stupid.

Very well put.

I watched parts of an episode and was reminded of that commercial for a transmission shop which at one point had a distance shot of two monkeys whacking a transmission with brooms. I wasn't impressed either and as s few of you have already said
the shooting sports as a whole would be better off without the Bubba effect this highlights. I'm no expert gunsmith, I know my limits, but even I could pick out the uninformed elements of this thing.

jerry

Quote: "Just watching the Ma Deuce episode showed me who they are. They brought in a known M2 expert, (Christos) who I am familiar with. The show's star belittled Christo's attempts to impart some history and safety advice to the shop".

I totally agree! I stumbled on this episode and thought it was strange (and rude) the way they mocked Christo and his knowledge on history!

I think It's another way to get more people to watch. Just like Pawn Stars, Orange County hoppers, and the rest of those so called reality shows. Producers always through in controversy and drama to sell the show, even if it makes everyone look like idiots!

Unfortunately, most viewers don't have a clue and think all this crap is real!

Bob

My Grandfather once told me, "You know they are lying when they move their lips"

I wondered is "True Gunsmithing" still alive. Some of those early guns are truly pieces of art! The presentation Kreighoffs are georgeous!

Beautiful Luger. This recent gem from gunbroker is more what I would expect to come out of this shop. I mean, can you get another rail onto this rig??

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/o...nt/Silly50.jpg

Imagine trying to get it past a metal detector!!!

But,...But! "It's all Tactical and Sh*t!!"

:D

I'm currently trying to figure a way to add Piccatiny rails to the bipod!!

At Least Its A Start
 

Up until now most had no idea there was such a profession!

Every single they demonstrate their invention or modification it messes up during the first try. Then a commecial to intensify the intrigue. Then right back with a little firearm 'KY', All is saved for his 'boy and girls' and everybody goes home happy. I would rather watch storage war! At least they have Brandy!!!

I was hoping that the show would be informative and also show folks that "gun people" are real and normal people. It didn't do either!! I can't help but feel that this show paints a very wrong slant to the whole picture of gun ownership and shooting. My .02

I have done countless hours riveting on aircraft over the years and grimaced when I saw the butcher job they were doing on the M2 receiver side plates.

I have only watched part of this show once. It makes one wonder if antigun money is supporting it. I can only see poor publicity coming from it. Just my opinion. Bill

Sons of Guns
 

I almost cried when they pulled that hatchet job on the 30cal. to make it hand held..!!

Doug

Yes, that 1919 was pretty nice. Then there was the time they butchered up a 1928A1 semi-auto Thompson into a full auto "entry weapon" for a local sheriff who, I guess, had never heard of the H&K MP5. I've had my fair share of fun with full auto Thompsons and the MP5, although I can't say that I've kicked in a lot of doors in a Conga line...but still, my choice would not be the more difficult to control, more likely to penetrate people and then walls .45 ACP over the far more easily controlled, more accurate 9mm. A double or triple tap from the 9 will discourage the bad guy from continuing his anti-social behavior with as much authority as the .45 and be way more likely to go where it was intended.

My point is that the whole exercise was, IMHO a stupid waste of taxpayer money and an ill conceived project from the get-go. Put differently, it was a solution to a problem which did'nt exist. Then the other night we had them put together water cooled twin M-16's mounted on a small boat.:banghead:

Of course their restoration of the demilled MP43 was pretty nice so once in a while the show has something to offer.

Regards,
Doug

But it was quite impressive to see how they turned it into an SBR by just carrying it to the shop... Is it just my old eyes, or did they really work on the same gun that the sheriff turned in? Looked like a 16" when he put it on the counter, but looked way shorter in the next scene, before they even started working on it... :confused:

I noticed that also, definitely two different tommys.

Might they have just shortened the original bbl to make it more CQB friendly?? I did not pick up on the change in bbl length until they were demonstrating the weapon to the sheriff.

I also watched the Thompson episode. Didn't I hear them say the Thompson was a new manufacture Semi-Auto? These are manufactured by Auto-Ordnance who is owned by Kahr Arms.
I seem to remember one of them saying the 50 round drum was old and real.
Maybe I was to busy watching Stephanie?
Bob

I believe the sheriff won it (or maybe it was donated) but it was a commercial semi-auto version with a stick magazine... until they carried it to the shop, that is.

I couldn't find the scene where they were discussing it with the sheriff, but here's the scene where he brings it to the shop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COZd_gXoqzo

Clearly a shorter barrel than the 16" version you'll find in the gun stores. Also note how the guy walks into the shop, gun in hand and with his finger on the trigger... "We're professionals, don't try this at home!" :rolleyes:

What he walks into the shop with is a full auto, standard West Hurley, (obvious from the poorly formed vertical foregrip and the lack of a cross pin retainer on the undersized Cutts Compensator) 10" barreled 1928A1 Thompson.
You can clearly see both the safety and selector on this gun, as well as the full auto charging handle. This is not the semi version.
The drum is the oversized 100 rounder.

Thanks, that's what I suspected. And he still says that it's a semi auto replica that they are going to convert. So a full auto conversion is easy then: Just swap the semi auto gun for a full auto gun and you're done. :rolleyes:

Do You think the sheriff was in on it?

Long thread on Sniper's Hide: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubb...2467280&page=1

Oh, I almost forgot my favorite: The shotgun they shortened. One dude cutting it with a hacksaw, and the other dude complaining: "Hey, that ain't straight". Gunsmithing at it's finest.

I think a LOT of license is taken on this show, as with all reality shows. Have you ever seen them fill out NFA paperwork? Any waiting periods? How can someone just leave an NFA weapon there without a form 5 transfer?? etc. , etc.

Much as I dislike this show, I can understand how the goobers out there will fail to be entertained by all the waiting and intricacies of NFA transfers. This is about shootin' stuff!!

There is only one trained gunsmith on the premises. The rest are all Dremel Droolers....

I must admit I know absolutly nothing about Gunsmith as a profession. I was so very impressed with gunsmiths or gunmakers like John Vermont Martz. These are the real masters now what appears to be a few good old boys getting together perfecting pipe bombs. I couldn't beleive what they admitted using preriged a target with explosives to impress his purchaser. Instead I would find it more interesting to watch the skills of the true engravers or designers making pieces like John, not mearly how to blow up things. I can watch Mythbusters who have all the safeguards and have interfaced their audience taking every safeguard and give warning throughout the show. I don't know. This show just bugs me. What scares me is that someday, there might be a mistake or distracion. I just hope and pray so innocent bystander is permanently hust or scarrred. I would invite the opinion of a few masters that aren't constanly distracted by television cameras and love to keep excellance as their top priority!