A really rare Luger what's the value
 

The gunsmith where I work at has a Luger that is supposable really rare. I have not seen it so I'm only telling his story here.

It was taken from a concentration camp from a us soldier when they liberated it. All the parts where taken before they were blued or stamped. He received it from his grandfather and assembled it. It's never been fired. How rare is this also is he blowing smoke or could this of happened?

Thanks
Shawn

becareful of the dangers of second hand smoke.....go get some fresh air....run

It makes a good story... :)

Sure, anything is possible, I have a non serial numbered, non proof marked luger on our site legacy-collectables.com

Rare, well, it is unusal, but not neccesarily hugely valuable... All depends on how it looks now.

Many parts guns from armorer kits were put together over the years, no markings etc.

Also, why would a concentration camp have luger parts? They quit making lugers in 1942...

Ed

Ed - just out of curiosity...how would you transfer/register it??? (If it was sold to a registration-required state)... :confused:

This would apply to the OP's Luger as well...

Before a certain date (I think maybe prior to the 1966 Gun Control Act) it was not a requirement to serial number guns. So an early gun without serial number, provided it was made that way and not removed, is perfectly legal. It can be transfered by noting "no serial number" on the form.

Shawn,

Stay with verifiable Lugers. There weren't any Plated Lugers made for Generals, Officers or U-Boat crews.

There are no verifiable Concentration Camp Lugers. If a dealer or gunsmith has one, it's most likely something that they picked up and are trying to dump it with a BS background war story.

Buy the gun, not the story...

Ron

yes, true, although see ron's posting below. However the one we have, has a 6 digit number stamped on the rear of the frame.


Ed

Oh he doesn't want sell it he said he would never get rid of it. I was just curious

Oh he doesn't want sell it he said he would never get rid of it. I was just curious

It's worse than I thought..The owner believes the story!

Jerry Burney

It's probably just as well to let the owner continue to live in his dreamworld.

Perhaps we need a book chronicling the various stories that "rare" Lugers are attributed to..."History Writ In Smoke"... :roflmao:

Lol.... Great idea!!!

Fn

As someone who used to sell for a living, I know first hand that there is no more effective sales tool than a good story. Thats why, when I go to gun shows, I don't regret being somewhat hard of hearing. Regards, Norm

Dear Ed
Interested in your comment re: Concentration camps manufactured lugers till 1942 - Have you any docs you can point me to confirming this?
Thanks
CharolayAnitua

I think what was meant was that Luger production on a whole ceased in 1942.

Also,
No Luger was ever built in a "Concentration Camp".
That is not to say there were no "guest" or "forced" laborers in arms production, just not in the manufacture of Lugers, to the best of my knowledge....

CORRECT

Should have had 2 lines

P38's used forced labor, do not beleive ANY were considered concentration camps.

EXCEPT for some Krieghoff's after 1942 and put togethers for soldiers after the war and also to assume repair of damaged guns, no new lugers were made by Mauser.


You guys should be nicer to this poor guy, he is simply repeating what he was told by his BOSS and now you've shattered his ego :(

Ed

Auschwitz Luger?
 

Hi:

You might ask him just which camp it came from?

Also, you all might remember our President bragging about his grandfather being in on the liberation of Auschwitz.

Funny, when someone on his staff told him that Auswitz was in Poland and that it was liberated by the Red Army, the bragging, suddenly, stoped.

I think it is very low rent to "bump" a person or thing based upon a "fake" association with the Holocost!!!!!!!

Oh well.

Sieger

remember I didn't state this as fact, only that is what the gunsmith (definately NOT the boss) told me. I really do believe he believes it and don't want to crush his ego.

That's why I asked on here if it could be true or someone was blowing smoke.

Mauser used forced labour (or rather 'Arbeitseinsatz') at their plant, just like any other large manufacturing company in Germany did.

Mauser was lucky in that the people under their supervision were treated rather well on a whole. There was a major difference in the treatment of the French and Dutch workers and the Russian and Polish ones, for example. The Dutch and French were relatively free, housed in barracks without much barbed wire. The Russians were well guarded and the Polish (mostly women) were somewhere inbetween.

August Weiss kept a correspondence with many former foreign workers after the war and several reunions were organized in the later years of the last century. This indicates that those under his responsibility were treated well.

Forced labor was an issue (and a grim one) at other Quandt group companies. One of the worst examples was that of AFA / Varta where many people died of lead poisoning and constant abuse. The companies got away with it, because they had 'lease contracts' with the SS. If anything went wrong, they could blame the SS instead and the SS didn't care anyway.

I had the chance to investigate a trial report of a Polish women who had worked as a forced laborer for DWM in Berlin. DWM was acquitted because they had treated their forced laborers like their own workers. (which should be taken with a grain of salt. The forced laborers had no protective gear, nor the opportunity to get or purchase them. They were badly fed in their camps and often abused. But since this happened 'outside of work hours', DWM was not to blame....).

It was truly a black page in the history of German engineering and anyone trying to make an extra buck on this should be ashamed of himself.

When I used to get most of my stuff from vets or families I heard some pretty outrageous stuff that they had firmly come to believe.
I always considered it best to leave things alone.

When in doubt, Throw it out!!