Somebody is
 

about to get harpooned..

Anybody else see something wrong?

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=143454452

Hmmm ???
Interesting sideplate.:cool:
And those grips looks diferent.:confused:

:rolleyes:

Steve:

Since this Luger has been in sellers family since the end of the war in Europe, I take it you do not believe the sideplate is a WW11 field replacement?

Regards,

George

The side plate is a Swiss type unnumbered replacement, so not matching. However the mag is a Kreighoff, which adds a couple of hundred bucks. TH

The side plate is a 'Swiss style'. i.e. after 1929. The full island instead of a partial. Look at other lugers. Is that an E/2 mag?

tom beat me to the 'draw'.

I would assume if it was armory replacement, it would be marked as such.

It don't look like it was stored 60 years in the holster...

"This...has been in our family since it was brought home tucked in the bottom of a duffel bag at the end of the war in Europe. This pistol was cleaned and lubricated, put away in its holster, and has never been played with or fired in all that time."

Never??? Never ever??? :roflmao:

BTW: Is that tongue & buckle holster strap normal for a WW II Luger holster??? And if it's been stored for 60 years...why does it look so worn???

It might be captured without side plate. I read experts saying it's Swiss. Why would German use a Swiss part so highly unlike being field replacement. Or, father collector stored original side plate away, and used a replacement for range. How would the heir know that or he knew that but he could not find where the father put it.... and the gun became this.

Wise words
 

Maybe this explains it?
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost...61&postcount=1


I've learned an expensive lesson:
Advertisement descriptions for Lugers and parts are fairy-tales for grown ups.
(Especially @ ebay )

It's good to be cautious. What MauserLugers described fits one-of-a-kind "supre rare" variations, but this particular S/42 is not a fake from the gound up.

I heard in other collecting world, fakes are common. Statistics says "90% Japanese swords on ebay are fakes". I receive spam emails every month regarding selling of replica watches, or coins (I'm not interested in those, who sold my email address?) But in C&R gun worlds, pure fake is rare according to what I saw. Much more common in C&R is "enhancement".

Swiss side plate is a minus. However, 1935 dated military holsters are very rare. And with, as Tom stated, a Kreighoff magazine it's really not a bad deal.

Ron

The side plate may even be a postwar Mauser part. In that case, at least it's an 'all Mauser parts gun' :D

VIM, Probably not a Mauser Parabellum or M29 Swiss original side plate, as these will not fit a standard PO8. Probably just a Swiss style repro. TH

Tom,

Both the Swiss and the Mauser Parabellum sideplates will drop into a P08 without any problems. (with some minor tinkering sometimes needed, like with ordinary P08 sideplates that are swapped from pistol to pistol). Basic dimensions are exactly the same.

(Wrong: see my follow-up post)

So is this a good deal?

I guess it depends on what the reserve is.

Anyone know the value of a '35 holster in "poor condition and missing the upper part of the strap"? I wouldn't think it has "collector" value.

I feel any 1935 Army holster is collectible. The Krieghoff mag providing that the body is ok is worth $ 350 to $ 500, Can't tell much on the luger but if all matching except the sideplate should at least have high shooter value or more. So assume the luger at $800+, the Krieghoff mag at $400 , 1935 holster at $300+. We are now around $1500. Who knows? The description is wrong but there is considerable value in the whole. Bill

I guess I wasn't thinking of the rarity factor of the '35 holster.
I would like to find one, but I want a nice one.

Hello Tom! :)

The description mentions two mags, and there are only two pics which show them (or one of them) out of the pistol...What exactly is it that says "Krieghoff" to you??? The markings on the aluminum bottom??? Duffel bag aside, is it possible that the bottom was fitted to another mfg body??? Or is there some other definitive feature that identifies it as "Krieghoff"???

At the gunshows I frequent, there are two vendors who deal exclusively in magazines...All kinds, all mfg's...They have many, and presumably know at least a little about each kind...I'd like to know what to look for, in case there is a Krieghoff in the mix... :thumbup:

Rich,

The Eagle/2 on the base is a Krieghoff proof.

Ron

What is the "triangle" stamped under the ser. number on the front of the frame?
DJU

Thanks Ron! I printed it out for future examination... :thumbup:

Isn't it a [cursive] letter??? Part of the serial...

I can't make it out...

I'll take the E/2 mag for $400 and a E/655 mag.

Strictly speaking, the E/2 is a Luftwaffe acceptance stamp.

Tom A.

What do the Mauser collectors think of the SN placement on the take down lever and the strange suffix marking.

OK the suffix marking is out of focus but it does look suspicious.
when you compare it to the barrel SN and the faint second 6

Oh, well, maybe I am looking too close :)


Vern

I can't believe it sold for this much:

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=143454452

I'd like to buy that Jo block he's using as a prop... :p

The added side plate images show that it is neither Swiss nor PW Mauser, which, incidentally isn't that hard to figure out when one would learn to read his own manuscript :D

Tom was right that the Swiss and PW Mauser side plates will not drop into a P08 without modification.
The top rim of the 06/29 and MP sideplates is thicker because of the absense of the protective ridge above the sear bar.

A P08 Side plate fits a PW Mauser without much problems, but will usually need quite a lot of tinkering to work on an 06/29. The Mausers are a bit more 'tolerance friendly'.