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suum cuique 09-17-2009 08:28 PM

WW1 Luger with KAGGR1 marking
 
Gentlemen,
did somebody ever saw a Luger with a unit marking:
KAGGR or KAGGR1 ?
Thanks

klaus 3338 09-18-2009 07:44 AM

No problem: it´s Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment No. 1.
I remember a holster for it.
Regards Klaus

suum cuique 09-18-2009 03:22 PM

Hi Klaus,
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by klaus 3338 (Post 164936)
No problem: it´s Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment No. 1.
I remember a holster for it.
Regards Klaus

yes, I know it is the Alexander-Rgt.
I 've collected alot of items of this Regiment during the last 20 years.
Here you can see our great-grandfather Franz. He is wearing a miter and a clarinette:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_...Regiment_Nr._1

I'm looking for a luger with the KAGGR / KAGGR1 marking, but I am not sure if a luger with this marking even exists.

jussi16 09-18-2009 05:28 PM

Hello!

Is this Kaiser your relative somehow? That would be great!
:bowdown:

In my country we don`t have any monarchs...
Just the old thing... democracy... after a country dividing civil war...

Mostly peasants and such..

For more, see Internet.

Sorry for my irony. ;)
No cruel meanings intended. Just everyone of us is a King...

Ron Wood 09-18-2009 05:54 PM

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Andy,
I do not have a Garde Grenadier Regiment 1 Luger but I do have one from the 2nd Regiment.

suum cuique 09-18-2009 05:56 PM

nope
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jussi16 (Post 164973)
Hello!

Is this Kaiser your relative somehow? That would be great!
:bowdown:

In my country we don`t have any monarchs...
Just the old thing... democracy... after a country dividing civil war...

Mostly peasants and such..

For more, see Internet.

Sorry for my irony. ;)
No cruel meanings intended. Just everyone of us is a King...

Unfortunatly the Kaiser was not a relative, just the gentleman with the miter.
Well, at least the Finns were good, trustworth allies.
:cheers:

suum cuique 09-18-2009 06:02 PM

Nice!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood (Post 164975)
Andy,
I do not have a Garde Grenadier Regiment 1 Luger but I do have one from the 2nd Regiment.

2. Garde Regiment zu Fuss or
"Kaiser Franz" Garde-Grenadier-Regiment Nr.2 ?

Anyway, a nice marking

suum cuique 09-18-2009 06:22 PM

Btw
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by klaus 3338 (Post 164936)
No problem: it´s Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment No. 1.
I remember a holster for it.
Regards Klaus

Klaus, was / is this holster for sale?

klaus 3338 09-19-2009 01:54 AM

It was mine and a sold it to a collector here in Germany.

RichSr 09-19-2009 10:01 AM

Andy,
I don't read german but the photo would indicate the gentleman is holding an oboe, not a clarinet. Hope this doesn't contradict family history.

suum cuique 09-19-2009 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichSr (Post 165022)
Andy,
I don't read german but the photo would indicate the gentleman is holding an oboe, not a clarinet. Hope this doesn't contradict family history.

Rich,
honestly, I always thought it is a clarinette.:banghead:
Thanks for your information, I have to check on this.

suum cuique 09-19-2009 10:50 AM

What a pitty
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by klaus 3338 (Post 165009)
It was mine and a sold it to a collector here in Germany.

:bowdown:

I would buy a holster like this instantly. I collect KAGGR1 stuff.

klaus 3338 09-19-2009 02:44 PM

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Andy,
I´m sorry but I made a mistake. I looked at my older photos and found the holster but it´s stamp was KAGGR4 (Königin Augusta Garde Grenadier Regiment No.4). Holster was made by PAUL WARNEST BERLIN in 1911.
Regards Klaus

klaus 3338 09-19-2009 02:48 PM

Ron, one time more a nice unit marked Luger. You have a great collection and are one of the best experts. Thanks for showing.
Regards Klaus

Ron Wood 09-19-2009 03:55 PM

Thank you Klaus. Considering the excellent quality of your collection, I consider your complement high praise indeed.

suum cuique 09-19-2009 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaus 3338 (Post 165039)
Andy,
I´m sorry but I made a mistake. I looked at my older photos and found the holster but it´s stamp was KAGGR4 (Königin Augusta Garde Grenadier Regiment No.4). Holster was made by PAUL WARNEST BERLIN in 1911.
Regards Klaus

Klaus,
even a KAGGR4 holster is very rare.
If you cross a KAGGR1 holster sometime, please keep me in mind.

"Es lebe hoch das Regiment, dass sich mit Stolz Alexander nennt!"
(Hail the Regiment, which is called Alexander)

Jan C Still 09-20-2009 12:50 AM

Andy
I have a 1917 LP.08, sn 9868g, marked 1.G.G.12.9 which signifies: 1. Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment, 12 Kompagnie, Waffe no. 9. It is shown on page xxv of Imperial Lugers, Second Edition.
Jan

abukafura 09-20-2009 02:34 PM

Here's another one for the list" I have 5.G.G.M.G.55. It is a 1912 DWM (tough date to find). Nice gun, serial 8337ns.

suum cuique 09-21-2009 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan C. Still (Post 165088)
Andy
I have a 1917 LP.08, sn 9868g, marked 1.G.G.12.9 which signifies: 1. Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment, 12 Kompagnie, Waffe no. 9. It is shown on page xxv of Imperial Lugers, Second Edition.
Jan

Nice!
I am confused. I thought always the marking for this Regiment was KAGGR1.
Is there a listing of all unit markings somewhere online?
I could not find anything.

abukafura 09-21-2009 06:49 PM

I think that th best source of unit markings is Jeff Noll's great book "The Imperial German Regimental Marking". Wealth of information.

Jan C Still 09-21-2009 08:05 PM

Andy
1.G.G. signifies: 1. Garde Grenadier Regiment, which has the honor name of 1. Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment source Gortz German Small Arms Markings page 40.
The information is in a book.
Jan

Ron Wood 09-21-2009 08:22 PM

Andy,
Luger unit markings do not include the honorary designation, so "1.G.G.xx.x" is exactly what you are looking for.

Jan C Still 09-21-2009 10:54 PM

Andy
Luger marking instructions call for 1.G.G. as the format for the 1st Garde Grenadier Regiment. Gortz German Small Arms Markings (page 20, 40) identifies this as "Kaiser Alexander Garde -Grenader-Regiment Nr 1". Have never seen (nor has such been reported) a Luger marked KAGGR / KAGGR1. However, I have a spiked helmet marked KAGGR1 / IB Only small arms were subject to markings regulations.

The unit markings instructions do not include honor names on pistols. However, such are rarely observed.
Jan
All this information is in a book and not on the net.

suum cuique 09-22-2009 10:01 AM

Gentlemen,
thanks to you all for the information.
This forum is a great source of knowlege.

suum cuique 02-26-2010 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan C Still (Post 165088)
Andy
I have a 1917 LP.08, sn 9868g, marked 1.G.G.12.9 which signifies: 1. Kaiser Alexander Garde Grenadier Regiment, 12 Kompagnie, Waffe no. 9. It is shown on page xxv of Imperial Lugers, Second Edition.
Jan

Jan, have you ever considered to sell this Luger?


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