luger 1915
 

hello. i am sorry to say i know nothing about computers and there icons and i hope rhis goes thru. i ahve a luger marked 1915 on top of the breech in my researches so far i have found that it is all original markings for a military piece but between the serial # and the witness marks under the barrel is a # 8,82 and on the handle down from the trigger gaurd 3.ch . can anyone tell me what they are. by the way what are tags that can be added to a thread.

Hello roc, WELCOME !!!

The number on the barrel "8,82" is the measurement of the bore diameter in millimeters. The size of a rod that will just fit into the barrel. Hope this helps! :)

thank you. what about the # on the handle below the trigger gaurd?

I'm guessing that those could be regimental markings, but would need to see a photo or at least a detailed description. Get us the info. There are guys here that can look at those and tell you what the soldier had for lunch...
DJU

thanks i will try to get some pictures

Hi Leroy,

How is the marking on the grip stamped? Is it 3.ch. or 3.Ch. Without seeing photos of the exact marking, it could be 3rd Chevaulegers (Light Cavalry) Regiment. If there aren't any other numbers or letters, it is most likely a "Stab" or Staff pistol. Meaning that it was more or less held in reserve for issue as needed and never assigned to a Squadron.

Welcome to the forum..

Ron

Ron, than it would be a Bavarian (cavalry) unit and a B. should be with the unit mark.
Regards Klaus

hello ron. the markings are with the large letters. 3.CH.

I have some pictures but I DO NOT KNOW HOW TOSEND THEM. DO iSEND THEM TO WWW,LUGERFORUM.COM/?

Sorry about the capital letters

roc. You can send the photos to my email. I will do the job if you want.
grafschaft@gmx.de
regards Klaus

You don't "send" photos, you upload them to a thread ;).

See posting by Ron on your other thread.

Use the Manage Attachments; although they have to be small enough....


Ed

Here's the markings...finally. Thank God for my daughter!

Looks like "the other Ron" (Ron Smith) got it right...3rd Chevaulegers (Light Cavalry) Regiment staff. That little snapshot is a teaser, the gun looks to be in great condition. Please ask your daughter (thank God indeed!) to help post more pictures of this piece.

Turned your photo around so as to get a better look.

Klaus,

Would the B still be applied to a Stab marked Luger? It certainly looks to be a 3rd Chevaulegers Staff pistol mark to me.

Ron

We all know the D.V.E.Nr.185 â??order for stamping the handgunâ?� from January 1909. This one was a Prussian order.

When we look at the Ulanen (Lancers) for example we have some problems. Prussia had Ulanen regiments 1 to 16 and Bavaria had 1. and 2. Lancers Regiment. We know that the unit marks on the Bavarian guns came with a B. Maybe the reason of the missing of the B is that the Prussian Army does not have Chevaulegers. Chevaulegers were only in Bavaria. We can compare them with the hussars.

Because the holsters for the units in the German Army in Imperial time came from the clothing depots (Bekleidungsämter) the D.V.E.Nr.185 was not for the holster and the other equipment. The Bavarian holsters are all without the B in front of the unit marks.

Yes Ron, you are right: Roc´s Luger is from the 3 Bavarian Chevaulegers regiment staff. I attach some photos of other Bavarian Chevaulegers Lugers and their holsters. The 1. Chevauleger Luger is with the B, the 2. not. The unit marks on the holsters are without the B.

Roc, it would be nice to see some more photos of your Luger.
On the Landau list are the Lugers of the 3. Chevaulegers enumerated. Your Luger should have Nr. 106 or 113 or 120. These 3 numbers are listed with the staff.
Best regards from Germany klaus.

thanks to all . iwill try to get more pics. bye the way do you know of any history on the gun

"We all know the D.V.E.Nr.185 â??order for stamping the handgunâ?� from January 1909. This one was a Prussian order. "

klaus 3338, can you explain in more detail the meanig of the D.V.E.nr.185.. please.
Alf.

Alf, sorry, but you must help me: We all know... ...in more detail the meaning ...!
I´m sorry but I think I do not understand. What should I try to explain, please?
My English is not the best!

Roc, I must say sorry because I don´t really mention that your Luger is 1915 dated. So it´s nonsense with the Landau list because this list is dated 1914- at that time your Luger was not "born"!
About the history of your gun: The 3. Chevaulegers regiment was part of the 3. Bavarian Infanterie Division and fought at the Western front in Flandern, Ypres, Wytschaete in 1914; Flandern, Artois and Arras in 1915, at the Somme in 1916, in Flandern and Champage in 1917 and the Great Battle in France in 1918.
Regards Klaus

Hi guys . I sure am learning alot. here are some more pics. i bought this gun about thirty five yrs ago. i have shot a couple of mags about ten yrs ago and it has been hanging in a gun cabinet ever since. i paid four hundred dollars. I would estimate the finish as being 97% on both the bluing and the straw. what do you think it would be worth? I know youare going to tell me that the gun would have to be taken apart and scutenized. guestimate. i only took it apart once to clean it after shooting. if the gun is worth some money I would hate to take it apart for fear of breaking something. I would also like some history on it if possible. I have another luger that I bought about 35 yrs ago. it is a commercial job though and I think its in bad shape. I will start anew thread on that one. thanks again for any help or info you guys can provide.

A beauty!
Do you mentioned that the breech block has the Erfurt power proof mark (as all other DWM 1915, too) while barrel and receiver have the Spandau (DWM) power proof stamp?
I like all the unit marked guns, special the cavalry unit marked.
Thanks for sharing!

Klaus,
I think Alf is asking what the letters D.V.E. represent. I assume the "D" possibly means "Deutsch" or "Direktion"? You have already indicated that it is the “order for stamping the handgun”.

Ah, D.V.E. means (preuÃ?isches) Druck- Vorschriften- Etat translatet about print(ed)- direction or instruction- budget. I hope it is correct! As I always say: my problems with the English.

klaus I looked at the proof marks that I had downloaded and the proof marks on the reciever are dmw german military 1914 to1918 the one on the breechlock is german military found only on the breechlock 1914 to 1918. also can you tell me what the chevaulers regement was. was it calvery?

Thank you klaus 3338, and thank you Ron for helping out :D
Alf.

Klaus,
Your English is a lot better than my German!:) Probably an approximation in English would be "Budget Directive Number 185, 1909, Instructions for Handgun Marking". It seems odd that handgun marking instructions would be a budget item. Was it issued by the Finanzministerium or by another government agency and the "Etat" might actually be "Etatsjhar" (fiscal year) for that agency?

Ron, I think enumeration or specification is the meaning of Etat in this case.
The Etatjahr or fiscal year was during Imperial time from the 1. April to the 30. March of the next year.

Thank you Klaus. "Specification" makes a lot more sense than "budget".

Roc,
Ron Smith posted earlier that the Chevaulegers were light cavalry (note the spelling of cavalry, it is a common mis-spelling...I do it myself sometimes).

Ron, thank you for the correction. Prussian Hussars are a "bit" like the Bavarian Chevaulegers. Here is a photo. Two on the right side of the photo have a Luger in their holsters.
Regards Klaus

thank you for the correction ron. it seems that klaus is not the only one with bad english

roc,
Please do not take offense. Neither you or Klaus have "bad" English (particularly Klaus since his native language is German, his English is extremly good). I was not criticizing as I have made the same mistake (and many others :)) in the past. It is more a typographical thing than bad English.

no offense taken. I made a bad joke. sorry to you and klaus.

No need to be sorry. I think I will quit before I write something else dumb :)!

ron I thank you for all your help and klaus I hope I did not insult you. you have been a lot of help to me and I look forward to talking with you again. thank you.

Ah come on Ron,

Write something else dumb.:D

'nother Ron