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John Sabato 08-29-2008 11:54 AM

John McCain's VP Choice!
 
The McCain campaign has sure kept it a good secret, but FOXNEWS.com is reporting that Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska, and a conservative, pro-life mother of 5, who is not a Washington insider has been chosen to be the Republican VP running mate choice. She is described as a Rising Star in the GOP.

I hope this has blindsided the Democrats who probably had a fistfull of negative stuff to use about any of the other potential choices that the media has been speculating about.

If this lady's record and history has been properly vetted, it may just spell the end of the road for the Obama express to the whitehouse... Those female voters who would have blindly voted for H. Clinton because she is a woman, now have a good alternative to the Obama ticket which they would have reluctantly supported.

It certainly will be a most interesting election.

pitsword 08-29-2008 12:53 PM

Amen John and well said.

Pitsword

policeluger 08-29-2008 01:02 PM

Read up on her last year while in Alaska fishing, a real fine lady....

wlyon 08-29-2008 01:36 PM

It is interesting but also rather scarey to have a vice president of an older president with almost zero experience. Seems like a strange selection to me. ADDED I should add for the benefit of Pitsword that I am 72 years old and have never voted for a Democrat for President. Bill

Edward Tinker 08-29-2008 01:58 PM

Fascinating pick, surprises me and makes me excited, as that might put a giant crimp on those who have democratic leanings (I was already planning on voting for Mc ;))


Ed

policeluger 08-29-2008 02:05 PM

...and she is a long time member of the NRA, a pro hunter.

Ron Wood 08-29-2008 02:45 PM

Bill,
I understand your concern about her being "a heartbeat away from the presidency", but I think that is much better than having a greenhorn president with an older wet nurse vice president to try to keep him out of trouble. That to me is scary.

pitsword 08-29-2008 03:12 PM

Ron,

Thanks, the beautiful wisdom of experience. That's what I so enjoy on this forum. At 63, I'm still such a novice on life and what I learn here is an education on so many things.

Pitsword

Imperial Arms 08-29-2008 04:35 PM

I agree with Bill that she has zero experience which the Democrates will use to jump all over her. The Democrats will still have Hillary in the background or she might be given an important position in the administration as Secretary of State if the Democrats win the presidency.

I consider myself an independent (of course I am pro-gun), but I am disgusted how the Republicans have screwed up the US and mislead the American people especially with the Iraq war. I prefer that the Democrats win the electron in order to breath new fresh air into the US, and I doubt that they will do any thing radical to change gun laws that favour us collectors.

Albert

John Sabato 08-29-2008 05:08 PM

Quote:

Bill,
I understand your concern about her being "a heartbeat away from the presidency", but I think that is much better than having a greenhorn president with an older wet nurse vice president to try to keep him out of trouble. That to me is scary.
Albert I have to go along with Ron on this... When did the democrats in the last 50 years NOT screw up the status quo in the USA? When did they ever NOT try to take more gun rights away?

Obama is an "empty suit" waiting for the next teleprompter message...

Obama calls for tax cuts for the working family? what the heck does that mean? His Windfall profits taxation suggestion is a direct violation of the free enterprise this country was built on. Who do you think the oil companies will levy that loss of income on? You and I, that's who.

Just exactly who are the "rich"... ordinary citizens who have made intelligent decisions on business? Collectors of fine firearms? Just what do you think will be the criteria for being "rich" ??

Here is an Obama quote that I snatched from a recent New York Times Magazine where Obama is talking about his economic plan:

"'If you talk to Warren [Buffett], he'll tell you his preference is not to meddle in the economy at all -- let the market work, however way it's going to work, and then just tax the heck out of people at the end and just redistribute it. That way you're not impeding efficiency, and you're achieving equity on the back end."

just redistribute it THAT'S SOCIALISM! NOT DEMOCRACY!

All I have got to say is GET your hand out of my pocket Obama!

Obama Nation was a great title for that book about him... We don't have to make stuff up about this guy... all you have to do is let him talk to know where he would drive this nation. Right into a wall.

pitsword 08-29-2008 05:16 PM

John,

Again, very well said. Thank you.

Pitsword

policeluger 08-29-2008 05:42 PM

Albert there are more diverse interests here in the brotherhood then "us collectors".....when you are willing to give up anothers gun interest and be only concerned with your "collecting, you have allowed the democrats once again to divide and conquer.....I could care less about shotguns and bird hunting, prefer big game hunting, but I would never roll over on the scatter gunners to save my own interest.....we should be in this all together, or give up to the anti's now...

lugerholsterrepair 08-29-2008 08:28 PM

Albert..and I doubt that they will do any thing radical to change gun laws that favour us collectors.
You need a check up from the neck up!
That's what the Democrats are waiting for...A wholesale cleansing, a pogrom if you will. These people are not like you and I . Or I anyway.
Howard is correct...Once this starts, if it does... collecting is not sacred. It could be the first thing to get it in the neck.

I found something in the Democratic speeches to be extremely funny..Some bigwig, I wish I knew who, was screaming WAKE UP! USA we need Change!
In 1933 the giant campaign by the Nazi's was Deutchland erwacht! Hitler preached change.....

Jerry Burney

crc 08-29-2008 08:49 PM

Talk about a breath of fresh air ... Sarah appears to not worry about what the "good old boys think", rather she thinks for herself and more like most of us. It might be a real good thing to have someone new into politics that has no skeletons in their closet (in Washington). Seems to have her own opinion and willing to stand up for it.

Randy

Heinz 08-29-2008 09:13 PM

My wife likes her. I am always suspicious of women who can outshoot me
:-)

BogeyB 08-29-2008 09:37 PM

In reality; unless you are/were a VP or a White House Chief of Staff, then you have really zero training for the job. It's really training on the job. Some have it, and some sadly don't. My state produced James Earl Carter; Navy Officer, gentlemen farmer/businessman, State Senator, Governer, and sadly one of the worst Presidents the Republic has had to endure!

Mr Mc Cain isn't my first choice, but he's our only real choice. Ron Paul and Bob Barr will only siphon away votes. At least the Hildabeast is out of it!!

Mike:cheers:

Imperial Arms 08-29-2008 11:30 PM

Enough! Stop picking on me!! (just kidding)

Sarah might shoot an M-4 like a hot babe, but I would be very nervous if she had to replace John as president if he would happen to pass away within 4-8 years.

When John criticizes Obama about 'judgement', I reckon that John made a bad judgement after meeting her for one day (or one night)! She is not qualified/experienced for a VP of the USA, and she does not compare to ex-PM Thatcher who had a very tough reputation and who no s*** from nobody. In my opinion, John would have made a better choice if he would have selected Rodney.

Albert

Sieger 08-30-2008 12:09 AM

Dems
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Imperial Arms
I agree with Bill that she has zero experience which the Democrates will use to jump all over her. The Democrats will still have Hillary in the background or she might be given an important position in the administration as Secretary of State if the Democrats win the presidency.

I consider myself an independent (of course I am pro-gun), but I am disgusted how the Republicans have screwed up the US and mislead the American people especially with the Iraq war. I prefer that the Democrats win the electron in order to breath new fresh air into the US, and I doubt that they will do any thing radical to change gun laws that favour us collectors.

Albert

Dear Albert:

I made the same mistake, with the exact same logic, when I voted for Jimmy Carter when he was facing Gerry Ford after the Watergate scandal

PLEASE NOTE, I HAVE NEVER VOTED DEMOCRAT SINCE!!!!


Sieger

MFC 08-30-2008 12:44 AM

One of the first things she did in office as governor of Alaska was to sell the state's executive jet. She said "we're not going to run things like that".
I LIKE THAT ALOT!!!
You don't need experience to do something like that, just character.
Mike C.

thegundude 08-30-2008 01:45 AM

For those who accuse Governor Palin of lack of experience, might I reminder you that this VP pick has more executive experience than does the Democratic Presidential nominee (2 years governor, 8 years as Mayor of Wasilla and a couple of years in city council). She also helped her husband run their business, so she has experience signing the front side of paychecks too! Those are things that neither Obama, Biden or McCain can claim!!

I've been in love with Sarah Palin since I watched her deliver some much needed ass kicking up in the Alaskan capital building and I will now proudly stand behind the Republicans in the next general election. (I had been leaning towards the Libertarian cause, though it's a lost one).

She's more than just hot, she's smart and tough. Her Alaskan Democratic rivals call her The Barracuda! :D

kpolak 08-30-2008 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thegundude
Her Alaskan Democratic rivals call her The Barracuda! :D
I read somewhere she picked-up the 'Barracuda' nickname in High School.

It will be an interesting fight based on experience...Glass houses and stones...I think an experienced Chief carries the weight.

Kurt

Navy 08-30-2008 02:40 PM

Folks,

I find it quite amazing that the leftards are criticizing Palin's "Inexperience". Hell's bells, how does 143 days as a memeber of the worlds most expensive and unproductive hot air factory make one prepared for anything except endorsing taxpayer funded pay checks? Voting record unknown.
The bottom of the Republican ticket has more real-life experience and executive experience in local and state government, not to mention P&L experience ,than that pathetic wanna be Barry Sweto or B. Hussein Obama or whatever his real name is.
A columnist, last week gave a great explanation for Obama-rama-lama-ding-dong. He pointed out that he fills the role of Messiah in the Socialist/Radical Liberal Pantheon, decended to Earth to expiate the sins that socialists/rad liberals believe taint us white folks :the sin of slavery and Jim Crow.

One minor problem. Unless you are a socialist/ rad liberal, you probably don't feel collectively or personally guilty for something that was done before your grandfather was born. I know I don't even though my family, prior to the unpleasantries between the north and south, were indeed slave holders. That was then; this is NOW. Christians and Jews do not believe the sins of the father are borne by the sons; rad libs and socialists do.

Take away the messianic trappings and the chanting mantras and you find you have basically a Chicago machine politician who has a history of long term personal relationships with unrepentant terrorists (Ayers and Dorhn), racketeers (Rezko), Anti-American radicals (Wright and his wife) as well as assorted radical islamists.

Give me the snowmobile mom who moose hunts, wins basketball games while playing with a stress fracture and has a son in the Army bound for Iraq.

Tom A.

George Anderson 08-30-2008 06:21 PM

Amen!

G.T. 08-30-2008 06:25 PM

Me too! Amen!!! Best to all, til...lat'r..GT

wlyon 08-30-2008 08:01 PM

As a life long Republican I am still disappointed in Palin's selection. If some one has to take over the wheel I would much prefer they have a drivers license than a learners permit. Bill

Heinz 08-30-2008 08:27 PM

Bill, remember Harry Truman? he did all right (for that party anyhow). I am not sure his time as a Missouri judge made him ready for the office. It is about character as was said above. Just think of some of the recent potential occupents, Al Gore? Dan Quayle? Spiro Agnew? or the other option, Joe Biden, Senator from Delaware?

wlyon 08-30-2008 10:00 PM

Heinz
Harry Truman was a US Senator for 10 years before he became FDR's VP.Bill

Freischtz 08-31-2008 12:53 AM

So far I've been pleased with Governor Palin. I liked her renegotiation of the gas pipeline deal and her tough stance on several in State issues. I believe she's been an excellent alternative to the â??good old boysâ? one usually sees here.

Palin is the only reason I'd vote for McCain. I had planned to sit out the Presidential race this year and limit my vote to the Congressional and State races. Now I'll reevaluate my position. She's more than the Republican/semi-Democrats I've seen in recent years.

jamese 08-31-2008 09:10 AM

I must be honest and say that as a life long Republican my vote for McCain, was more a vote against Obama and Democratic socialistic agenda. However I do like his VP pick, talk about â??change and fresh new perspectiveâ?

You donâ??t think that Obama is going to take his queue from the likes of Nancy Pelosi and those just like her ? If they have their way, the whole country will be like the state of Kalifornia.

If one votes on the MORAL ISSUES alone, the choice is very clear

Itâ??s hard for me to understand how anyone who is a member of this Forum could stand up for an anti-gun candidate, much less vote for them. What other constitutional principals does he want limit or eliminate?

Jim

Hueydriver 08-31-2008 10:55 AM

Amen Jim!!.

I think Mr. McCain made a fantastic pick. Reading her Bio's. She's smart, a fierce competitor, and shares the values of us "normal" folks. They have a business that rises and falls with their productive capability. Which is what made this great country what it is today. They pay taxes, make payroll, while trying to raise their family.

She's an "outsider" and I think it's great!! Exactly what we need.

I love it, " Mrs. Palin goes to Washington"

Jesse

Jan C Still 08-31-2008 12:26 PM

Below is a post that I put on the NAPCA Forum yesterday at the request of Tom Knox.
As I live I in Alaska, Tom requested I post my thoughts on Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, the Vice President nominee.
In 1987 she graduated with a degree in Journalism from the University of Idaho..
She is a life member of the NRA, own guns, and hunts moose and caribou.
Recently, some key Republican members of the Alaska State Legislature accepted bribes to cut taxes to big oil companies. These Legislatures bragged that they were the old corruptibles (some later pled guilty and others were indited). Gov. Palin went after the Legislature to rescind this corrupt tax cut. By calling a special session she held the Legislatures feet to the fire and finally forced them to restore the tax to its pre-bribes level.
She is tough, honest, smart, very capable, and a gun owner and hunter.
(Note: many network reporters argue that Sarah Palin has to live and work in the Washington DC beltway for a number of years to be qualified to be president. With a Congressional approval rate of 9 percent (Palin has an 80 percent approval rating) I would suggest that living in the Washington DC beltway may be a serious detriment to being Vice-president or President. Alaska borders on Russia at one point and is about as far away from the beltway as you can get.)
Jan

Tim Reynolds 08-31-2008 04:52 PM

She is a perfect pick with a degree in journalism .Her book THE RISE AND FALL OF JOHN McCAIN should be well written. McCain made a hugh mistake,monumental the worse pick since eagleton.State Champs ( Al bundy). Life NRA ($500.00) 2nd place Miss Alaska,Now those or the kind of qualifications this country needs.She is also very good looking which is very important.I hope she can help me with my American values like Bush helped me.:rolleyes:

Heinz 08-31-2008 06:32 PM

Bill, thank you for the factual correction.

stefanosg 08-31-2008 07:35 PM

She also axed the "Bridge to nowhere" a multi million dollar pork project in the Ketchikan area. The Governor before her purchased a jet for the Governor's office. She sold it on Ebay and made a profit. She was also selected to be on some Republican commitee. When she saw all the corruption going on she quit and was very public about it.

alvin 08-31-2008 09:42 PM

Vote for McCann anyway, so I did not track the candidates. But I heard he will be Bush #2. That causes some concerns.

Edward Tinker 08-31-2008 10:33 PM

Not sure how he could be Bush #2; McCain has a bit of a different reputation than Bush and can't be compared.


Although if this gets to be a mud slinging contest, I may just close this here thread.....

pipeman45 08-31-2008 11:48 PM

I was going to hold my nose and vote for McCain.
I am disapointed with him but scared to death with Obama.
Now it looks like I can walk in and vote for Sarah.

Freischtz 09-01-2008 01:42 AM

One question - does everyone expect McCain to die in office?

I've had four calls from people Outside, and at some point in the conversation about Palin they all wanted to know if I thought she could stand up to Putin.

davidkachel 09-01-2008 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Imperial Arms
...but I am disgusted how the Republicans have screwed up the US and mislead the American people especially with the Iraq war...
Imperial Arms,

Just a point of clarification. Dubya and Cheney and McCain are NOT republicans! I know, that may come as a surprise. They are neocons (short for neoconservatives) which roughly translated means Democrat war-mongers masquerading as Republicans. The odd thing is they don't even hide their neocon status but admit it freely. Google their names along with the word 'neocon' and prepare to be shocked.

Bottom line: we have all been had! (I voted for that stupid SOB Bush not once but twice! Brother am I ever ashamed of myself.)

davidkachel 09-01-2008 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BOGEYB
Mr Mc Cain isn't my first choice, but he's our only real choice. Ron Paul and Bob Barr will only siphon away votes...
The more people willing to "waste their vote" the more the party that lost those votes will pay attention.
The old "waste your vote" gag was invented by the two-party advocates to keep you away from other ideas. The only wasted vote is the one you cast for the person you already know is a lying scoundrel.


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