copy/fake rig on ebay
 

EBAY ITEM 170185208176
am i right in thinking this is a 70`s copy of a persian rig made in pakistan?

Link to item Nick is discussing.

BTW...the vertically sewn holster strap is never right on a legit piece...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1

Pakistani goat hide special.

Vertical belt loops were period added to original artillery

luger holsters but as Ron has stated this holster is not

original WW1 era.

Bob

Any time a seller adds Armor-all to their items - I run the other way!

Holster's a Paki p-o-s and the stock is very questionable. Examine steel to wood fit.

Bob,

No disagreement...vertical belt loops can/have been added to authentic holsters.

But not in this low position and not with the upper mounting-block still in place.

The converted ones I have seen have the new vertical loops (usually two of them) added in the place where the mounting block has been removed.

Belt Loop
 

I have a minty 1914 dated and maker marked Artillery

holster with a period added single belt loop added

just below the mounting block.

Bob

Bob,

Would you post up a photo or two...?

But I think George is right about this eBay offering...Paki...through and through...this one's mounting block is all wrong in shape and stitching...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/junker.jpg

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/arty_back.jpg

Bob, Could you shoot me a photo of that? I have seen stock blocks swiveled to make a belt loop but never a seperate one below the stock block.
Jerry

I emailed 3 pictures to Jerry Burney of my 1914 Artillery holster with a single

added belt loop .It also shows the leather button added to the flap for

the closure strap. He has asked Ed to post them.

Bob

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/dscn0236.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/dscn0236b.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/dscn0237.jpg

ADMIN, I need a class on teaching you ole dogs to post pictures. It isn't that hard ;)

Jerry: The holster I have sent you to be restitched is like the one under discussion, only it is for a 4" Luger. Marked on back: Hans Romer. 1915. Gorgeous holster, not a rework, but has the same unusual configuration of straps on the back. Once you get it,pls tell me what you think. Have not seen another one like it.

Thanks, Bob...

You do have a rare and unusual one there...thanks for taking the time to get your photos posted up.

Can you tell us if the dark-colored stitching on the added belt-loop on your holster is period-correct thread or a more modern-day material ?

Your holster cannot certainly be confused with the Paki-POS specimen that Nick asked about in his opening post.

Hi Pete, I believe Jerry Burney said is is period thread when

I talked to him.

Bob, Pete...The thread is the only thing I questioned about this belt loop addition. It looks a little shiney and not like linen. It should be blacklighted. The extra loop looks like a period addition on an original holster. Very well done and much like it should be. The thread is the only thing I did question....
Jerry Burney

Nick,

Here is a much more promising one on eBay :

http://cgi.ebay.com/WW1-German-Artil...QQcmdZViewItem

Pete, yes and no...the seller sent me a photo of the closure strap..it seems to me very strange, even if it is "walz" stamped...

walz stamp
 

this 1915 dated holster has a "walz" stamped closure strap...

original walz stamped closure strap
 

pic2

Christian,

The metal of the stock iron on the eBay offering may have been re-blued at some time as well.

Don't you usually want to see "halo" on the stampings of the SN on the iron ? Also...very little rust/patina on the iron but lots of rust down in the slot of the screw.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...iron_copy1.jpg

Pete, yes I agree ! I placed a bid for this item, but I do not want to bid more, because of the closure strap and the stock. I don't like the back of the holster also..(but the leather boot parts are excellent). your observation is very pertinent.

Another holster to ponder :

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=1621790

IIRC...this "repro" holster has the same date/maker mark you see on the "repro" leather TM08 carriers as well...

Pete, the last one you posted is a fake. The seller covers his ass by stating that he is not certain that it is original.

rear carry straps
 

read views on rear carry straps. came across pic of 1915 standard holster with upper part as with artillery straps. but below it a single belt strap. trying to put pic on here. told my pic is too big. can't load it. can send it to anyone interested...............

George,

I think these "repro" holsters are just that.

They become a "fake" in how they are sold by some with more lust for money than honesty...:)