So i think i killed my glock....
 

Not lugers but yeah to all the gun people out there. i bought a new york trigger and was trying to install it in my Glock model 22. well i got the spring in and reassembled my gun. However.... i wasn't paying attention and didn't realize i hadn't put the pin back in the grip of the gun that holds the trigger mechanism in place so when i put the gun back together and tried to pull the trigger it wouldn't click, it just went back. so when i tried to field strip the gun. it wouldn't let the slide come off the frame, it only goes forward about an inch forward... so then i panicked and removed the other two pins in the frame and that still wouldn't let the gun's slide come off. so when i put the two pins i did have back in the frame the slide now locks back when i pull it back, even without the mag inserted... i have no clue what ive done to screw my gun up but i am freaking out pretty bad.... idk whats going on or why the slide is locking back when nothing is in the gun. o.O and also i can't find that third pin.... so i can't even get the trigger block or whatever to stay locked in place so i can't even get the gun to even strip.:grr: Can anyone help me out or tell me whats going on or what ive done to screw up my gun....:confused: :(

Personally, I don't own a Glock. I'm not a real big fan for many reasons, their basic design is one of them. Maybe it's better off dead. ;)

Have you considered something in a nice 1911? :D

Sounds like the adventure we had with a Sig Sauer Mosquito in .22. Basically we had to pry all bits off until there was room enough to remove the offending pin. Then we shipped the bag full of parts to a good gunsmith for correct reassembly. We needed 4 hands and some tiny tools to get to that stage, though...

lol whoa such harsh feelings toward a Glock! Just out of curiosity what do you have problems with? They even have a .45acp glock (G21), which holds more than just 7 rounds :D.. 13 I believe.


As for the fellow that has problems with his glock, I believe there is a youtube video that shows you how to detail strip your glock and put it back together again.. that or you could always take it to a gun smith.

Becareful if you decide to mess around with it though!

Glocks: people love em or hate em mostly.

Well, since you asked... :D

1) The tigger is absolute junk, IMHO. Having to pull on a trigger before you can pull on the trigger is just silly (at best). Maybe it's just me (and half of the rest of the world) but I just never could get used to it. I'm sure that with a lot of practice I could break myself of the habits I've formed over the years, but then I woudn't be able to shoot any other type of gun. :rolleyes:

2) There have been more NG's with the Glock than with all other types of military and police issue guns combined. The safety features are notoriously unsafe.

3) I've heard of the frames wearing out and fracturing under heavy use. Although kind of a minor point for most people (I do mean heavy use) it kind of sticks in my craw a bit.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a lot like Ford and Chevy. Some people just like one over the other and sometimes for no good reasons. If the Glock floats your boat, buy the heck out of 'em, knock yourself out! They're just not for me... :)

PS If I could hit the broadside of a barn with the Glock, my opinion might be very different... :D

I fired a Glock for the first time earlier this year. I was stunned. I absolutely have no idea whatsoever why they are popular.
Words you will never, EVER hear: "Would you like to see my Glock collection?"

Bingo! I have a Glock 17 I got from my father.
I can't stand it.
I don't he liked it much either, I don't remember him shooting it more than a couple of times.

I too just don't get Glocks either.
After shooting one I do now understand why I hear about police firing dozens of rounds without hitting anything!

The Glock is simple, it does what it was designed to do:

Pull the trigger - it goes bang.
Don't pull the trigger - it doesn't.

That's about all your military or police user wants these days - accuracy isn't much of a priority, frankly. The trigger pull is quite long indeed. Target guns they ain't - those "target" models are pretty contrived - the gun is designed for "social" shooting up close and personal.

That is very interesting. Before we debate this any further I must say you are right on one thing. If a Glock isn't for you, it isn't for you. Just like any other gun.

As far as the trigger goes, that was one feature I HATED until I actually tried it. I totally forgot about it, it was barely even noticable. I don't really see how it adds safety, I guess it helps if you want to holster it with a round chambered.

Accuracy was okay, but wasn't great. However, I have only tried a Glock 19 and the barrel is pretty short on those. I shoot a lot better with it than my Beretta 92S which I cannot aim for SH*T with.

I will defend Glocks until I die, yet I don't even own one yet lol. All I can say is they function VERY well under harsh conditions, the rifleing is made for easy cleaning and for minimal build up of lead or carbon? not to mention they are very simple and easy to use. plus they have hi-cap mags for all your zombie huntin needs!

Quick question, what do you guys like best for tactical shooting? Favorite moderm semi-auto handgun? cause you are obviously not Glock men.

I own alot of Lugers,alot of 1911s,alot of S&W revolvers.alot of all kinds of pistols,and only one Glock. Its all I carry. nuff said. c

I favor the 1911 for tactical shooting. There are HiCap mags for it too, including a 50 round drum! (much too heavy and bulky to be practical...)

I carry an AK pistol with the 75 round drum. Tough to conceal but it hits real well... :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ithdrummag.jpg

Just kidding... :D I carry a S&W Chiefs Special in .45. It's light, big bore and I shoot it well out to about twenty yards, as far as I might expect to address the bad guy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6..._45_lowres.jpg

"I own alot of Lugers,alot of 1911s,alot of S&W revolvers.alot of all kinds of pistols,and only one Glock. Its all I carry. nuff said." c3006

DITTO

You both might well think that's ";nuff said", but I wonder why it is. :)

Are there any specific reasons that's what you carry?

Granted, I don't (usually) carry a 1911 either because they're too big and heavy for CCW. Lugers, of course, would be a poor choice for CCW too.

So what is it about the Glock that you Glock guys like?

Yes, they go bang when you pull the trigger but so do a hundred other guns.

Yes, they are relatively light weight, but so are a hundred other guns.

Yes, you can get them in calibers over .38, but the same is true of a hundred other guns.

Yes, you can get HiCap mags for them, but.... well, you know.

So what is it that you like about the Glock that is offered by no other maker? Given the Glocks poor track record on safety, I just have to scratch my head on that one... :confused:

>>Given the Glocks poor track record on safety

Well, now, you've got me on this one. Do Glocks have a "poor track record on safety"? The only problem I ever saw was a bunch of ADs (accidental discharges) when the DC Police bought them in the early 1990s. Seems that officers, new to auto pistols, were checking their loaded status by pulling the trigger. Naturally, they later claimed that the Easter Bunny or space aliens caused the AD. A buddy of mine was in their IAD (Internal Affairs Division - cops who investigate other cops) unit, and they investigated each AD and always determined that the officer had in fact pulled the trigger.

So, I use a Glock for all the reasons you listed: go bang, light weight, big bores, hi-caps - and you might add compact size and simple controls... plus, the pistol points very well for me personally.

First I have to say, I LOVE your AK! In Canada that is one thing we are just not allowed to have... even the select few that have the prohibited status are still only allowed to use a pinned 5 round mag.... which makes it just as scary as an sks!

As far as the Glocks go, we just need a little time to convert you! Soon you willl be one of us! :bowdown: GLOCK

What I like about the Glock is this... It all started with the Glock 17, but that isn't for everyone, so without changing the appearance they were able to make many different sizes, calibres and mag caps. There is about a dozen different calibres almost all of which have a baby glock for concealment carry. There is even 2 different .45 acp baby glocks, one is slim-line so it is easier to hold for small handed people (basically a single stack version).

As far as safety issues, I would say Glock is one of the safer pisols out there. It has a drop safety, trigger safety and aparently one more. lol Yes it is true, if you pull the trigger with a round in the chamber you WILL hear a "BANG!".

Agian I must say, your AK pistol is really something :thumbup: Do you make them yourself? Any chance of mailing one to Canada?? lol

Kohaku2416
Sorry we took your post out in left field. Alot of gunshops have someone working there that has been thru the glock armorers course and can probably help you. If that can not be worked out send it back to glock and they will take care of it free of charge. as far as glock safety I remember a few years ago he in TN we had a officer shoot a perp he was chasing and claimed the pistol fired on its own. Gaston came over and proved in court that it was impossible. Don't pull the trigger they wont go off,how could anything be safer. c

Or just go ahead and get a CZ...you'll never look back.

AD
 

Here is a description of a real Glock AD:
http://www.alphecca.com/mt_alphecca_...es/002052.html

Never would have imagined this could happen.

Lesson:
Don't hang your balls out when shooting a Glock ;) .

Jack

Curious way this guy that runs the web site descibes himself...

"...by a politically independent, libertarian, gay gun nut in Vermont..." :)

Did not think all those could occur in the same body...

Another complicated guy who was misunderstood...Ernst Roehm. Jerry Burney

I don't love Glocks, but I do really like mine, the one I own. I love sixguns and the glock is very revolver- like in operation. Mine is also very accurate considering it's a M27 and very compact for a Glock--meaning there isn't much to hang onto.

The only time it ever failed was when I failed to properly chamber a round; it's very faithful.

A good, utilitarian pistol which doesn't conceal well for me.

To me it looks like a bar of home made soap that can launch a bullet. A monument to utilitarianism and a toilet flush on esthetics.

From the Law Enforcement angle...

Picture yourself as a newly appointed Police Chief of a department that is just forming. Your firearms budget is $10,000. You must arm and TRAIN 10 officers on that budget.

You can spend $3500 on Glocks, leaving a $6500 training budget OR you can spend $6000 on a better (more complicated) pistol leaving only $4000 to train.

"Failure to properly train" officers is one of the most common allegations in lawsuits brought against Police Departments. Glocks have become an industry standard as far as hardware goes (Glock alleges that a full 45% of US LE officers carry Glocks). One of Glocks selling points (and litigation defenses) are the three safeties (drop, trigger, firing pin). They're all passive, negating the need to train operators on their use. One must only be aware of their presence and purpose.

Law Enforcement agencies are attracted to the best handgun value on the market... not the best handgun.

In my experience, they are extremely reliable. Put another way... "They are what they are."

Jack

I have owned two Glocks. One 9mm the other .40 S&W. Both bought new in the box. The 9mm stove piped every 3rd or 4th round with every kind of ammo I could dig up. I decided to try one in .40 S&W sometime after dumping the 9mm. The .40 S&W would light strike about every 3rd round, not even firing. So, they don't "always go bang". I wouldn't bet my life on one, nor even own another one.

A close friend is an NRA certified pistol instructor, who used to give courses at the local range. He said that without a doubt that Glocks were the worst pistols that he experienced for jams and mis-fires on the range.

I have another friend who is the Senior Training officer on the local police force. He was also the department armorer, when they went to Glocks. He told the Chief that he would resign before he would carry a Glock. He carries a Sig .40 and the force has the option of Glock or Sig for carry weapons. The majority of the old timers carry Sigs.

From what I have seen, heard and experienced, I would never own another...

Well just as an update i found the pin i lost, and i figured out how to take the slide off. The reason from what i can tell was seeing i reassembled the gun without the pin in the grip, the trigger and the assembly were caught on the firing pin, being the trigger couldn't release the pin being it couldn't fire without the pin in the grip to hold everything together. So i just took the slide plate off, removed the firing pin, and bingo slide came right off. after that i just reassembled the slide, and frame, then put the pin i had lost back in the grip. Reassembled everything and shazam! the gun works as it should. =D

Amazing how everything works as designed when there are no leftover pieces... :D

first put the locking block pin in and then the slide stop lever. The spring on the lever must go under the pin. then the trigger pin, thats the issue.

Tac makes a good point about reassembly. The simpler the better. It has been a military standard for over a hundred years. Of course Police actions and Military are quite different but the principle remains applicable for much the same reason.
Jerry Burney

Tac, I thought you might know the difference between typical Police actions and Military excursions being so knowledgable and all but I see you are unclear about it.
Naming just one battle scenario is myopic in the extreme. It shows a clear misunderstanding of the differentation of missions assigned to totally seperate enforcement intities.
In the case of Police.. the battle is likely to be very short with little opportunity for support or resupply to the opposing forces. Criminals do not have the logistics for this and are principally on the run. Police are often back at the precinct house within hours if not minutes of a gun battle. If a weapon malfunctions it is likely the criminal element will take the opportunity to escape rather than press the attack.
Military forces are often placed in a much different environment. Probably remote location, perhaps resupply difficulties. Weather factors. Dirt, mud, snow. No squad car close by..The enemy is more prone to press an attack that makes a malfunctioning weapon much less desirable. I am sure there are many more examples but my time for education of the masses is limeted.
Jerry Burney

My point was that a gun in bits is a gun in bits, and the fewer bits the better, whether you are soldier or a police officer.

I thought this was your point earlier and with which I agreed...Then there was the stunning scenario invisioned by Tac where there is no difference in Police and Military...and indeed in the limeted aformentioned scenario there is of course, none. In the broader spectrum there is a great deal of difference. I was merely pointing out that apples is apples and oranges is..well you get the idea.
As far as patronizing you, I do no such thing. You asked... Wosta difference?
Now you know.
Jerry Burney

Jerry,
Thank you for pointing that out. Depending on whose statistics you favor, the average distance between combatants in police shootouts is between 10 - 20 feet. They are usually over within seconds.

Law Enforcement training has come a long way. In the 50's - 60's, long range bullseye type shooting was the order of the day. Returning vets showed rookies "How it was done". Police training mimicked the military course of fire.

In the seventies, the FBI analyzed gunfights and came up with "The Training to End All Training". The problem was... it wasn't. The 1986 episode in Miami gave pause.

The best training I've ever been involved with normally begins something like this... "We are going to show you a way to do this. It should not be taken as the way to do this. Take what you like about our training and make it work for your agency."

I didn't hit the scene until the 90's, so I'm going anecdotal on the prior years (but I have my info from good sources). I will say that I've been privy to some pretty good training.

The best training introduction I ever got was this video (really):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno

My friends, this video typifies... A WINNING ATTITUDE! (the only attitude appropriate for a gunfight).

Jack

Well, I was in Military and Police (US Army MP), so we trained for war, but worked the road daily (well, I did my first couple of years). I always tried to teach my troops the "civilian" way of being a cop; (it is generally a lot rougher in civilian life than on a military base as an officer). What was big in the 1980's was the series of books called Survival (uhhhh, my mind is blank) and this was fairly new to many officers, to look at every situation as a possible survival situation. Being aware is the most important thing, at all times.

Now, what was this discussion about and howcome Tac and Jerry are bumping heads??????


Ed

Now, what was this discussion about and howcome Tac and Jerry are bumping heads??????

Not me! I agree with everything he says....

Besides, to get back to the point..I hate glocks. Plastic banana rubber chicken crap. Designed by committee for the politically correct mantra..safety.
Most people forget there's a safety on semi auto pistols and they are looking down at the pistol trying to figure out why it dosen't work when they are shot by their opponant.
Thats why I enjoy shooting auto pistols but carry a revolver.

Guns? What gun?

I lost all of mine in a horrible smelting accident.... :(

Hey Tac,

CSI I am pretty sure uses the dreaded Glock... but a quick look through a couple of NCIS episodes verified that the service pistol is SIG... not glock... you are not often wrong my dear friend... but this time your selection of examples went one TV show too far. My Best to you as always... I still owe you a big favor... care to collect? ...I stand ready to assist you from across the water... when is your next visit to the ex-colonies?

Tac, I used to live in Seaside! I have several homes around the country to follow the weather but if I were ever to get another it would be the Cannon Beach-Seaside area for the beautiful beaches. Truely a stunning part of the USA. I am not particularly fond of the weather there at the first of the year but I love the angry Sea...Jerry Burney

Geeeeeeezzzzzz I only have one Glock and one house. Im gonna have to get busy :)

I think one Glock is enough but you're going to have to get at least one more house! :D

:roflmao:

Boys..It's too late. All the cheap real estate deals are over! I bought many decades ago when houses wern't 300 grand. Now I have trouble with the upkeep and taxes...don't envy me...I am property poor but chasing the good weather is deffinately the way to go!
Jerry Burney