Luger Artillery Holster On Ebay
 

I was about to put a bid on this artillery holster rig but the bidding go outta sight before I got in.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ksid=p3907.m29

What recession? There's still people with lotso mola out there. Personally, I thought that the magazine pouch was thrown in. A little miscoloring on some parts. But it had the hard to find stock cup. Oh well , I'm glad that I have the artillery holsters that I have. I almost skipped the last Ohio Gun Collectors Assn (OGCA) meeting last month so that could set myself up for some grouse hunting. But I went and I picked up some fine artillery holster leather. Right place, right time. :p
Big Norm :typing:

Almost $4,500! Pretty insane. What good would it be to have such an expensive item to not enjoy putting a pistol in and taking it out to shoot with it. I think I'd have to put that rig behind glass and wipe the dust off with a diaper even if the mag pouch didn't really match. But it's truly a nice rig!

That's an extraordinary price for a very ordinary outfit. The cleaning rod is the best part of the set and the pouch is a repro.

Previous discussion for a holster from the same seller;
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=17802

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=220144013149


These two holsters caused a big stir on Jan Still's board, enough that he deleted the thread & comments, as both seller and buyer are members of both of these forums.

Sorry Ed, I don't mean to be contentious about this article. I was seriously considering puting in a bid before the price got out of my limited mental range. I felt that finding an original stock cup and all straps overcame the fact that an original 1917 artillery holster is pretty easily found, if you search hard enough. I won't go into the magazine pouch other than to say that the color doesn't match because I am not that smart. Navy holsters are another one of those thingies that I rarely comment on because of my 'Mad Cow' disease. As hard as I try, I'm just not a Jerry Burney. But $4400 for something that I couldn't physically examine...thats a lot.
Big Norm

IMHO I think it is suspicious that the person who paid this much money for that holster also has only one previous transaction on eBay. It is also strange that one transaction is kept "private" supposedly to protect the privacy of the bidder. At this point you have no way of knowing if that was even a legitimate bid. Anyone who will have only one previous sucessful bid to their credit on all of eBay, and then jump in with that kind of a bid is very suspect.

Mauser720 - Ron

It is a difficult situation.

At any given time and place such can happen. I have lost a couple of thiings in similar situations, and later found out that the person I lost to was respectable and the instances were happenchance.

But if a pattern is created, then it is an animal of a different color. It would be like a seller I know who has too many mint weapons, some with rare markings. It is a case of too many too often.



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Lets not be too suspicious. Maybe the buyer has a one nice artillery and wanted to make it into a full rig. This was a good opportunity. I know that if I would see a stock or a magazine that matched one of my artilleries or navies, I would go kinda nuts in my bidding, and thats coming from someone who is nuts on a normal basis anyway. But its diffficult to keep tract of pricing on Lugers and accessories. Prices are jumping all over the place. And some accessories are difficult to find for anybody.

I would like to make a comment about the seller here since my previous comments might be construed as sort of negative. I had trouble seeing EACH of the pictures of this rig because EACH picture was about 50% deleted (or greyed out) either by Ebay or my server. I emailed the seller and he emailed a total set of good pictures of this rig. A class act from a total gentleman. If he is reading this post, I would just like to thank him.
Big Norm

i am the seller of both rigs what is suspicoius about a 1 rated bidder we all were at one time!
the buyer of the second rig has just bought an artillery and did not want to wait around to find a "bargain" rig which i can understand having done the same with ss daggers a few years back
there was nothing untoward going on in both auctions you must all have read dows posts and mine there was a slight misunderstanding but dow and myself sorted this small matter out to both our satisfaction
as for the price i have sold a rig for more ,in real terms, a few years back when the dollar was stronger in �£ i think after conversion it sold for �£3200 which today is nearly $6500! .i only have a few complete rigs and a couple of spare stocks left inc a truely mint 1914 dated example .with 3 matchimg mag poutches, which i expect would fetch far more then $4500
nick
i am using a new name as a bought a new computer and could not remember which email address or pass word i used so it was easier to register again

old name "nnoonan"

george with respect
the pouch is not a repro

Is it maker marked? It is not a pouch for an LP08 from 1914-1918.

no it is not maker marked
when i bought it i sent photos to jerry to get a price on restitching
he said it was a commercial piece and i agree
would you like some detailed photos?

Nick, thanks for the offer but not necessary. When I said the pouch was a reproduction I meant just that. Many of this type pouch were produced for the "after market" perhaps in the '60s or '70s or perhaps as part of one of the commercial contracts during the '30s.. Army LP08 pouches all have the leaf shaped keeper strap and all have a belt loop or two. All German military pouches are also maker marked. Only navy pouches and Portugese pouches have the strap loop on the back but they also always have the leaf shaped keeper strap.

George is absolutely correct here. This double mag pouch is not a German Military, not WW1 period and not for a German Artillery rig. Jerry Burney

george this is not a 60`s or 70`s reproduction
i have been collecting leather work of all kinds for 30+ years i know my leather

hello jerry
that is not what you said when i sent you the photos!

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all the fakes copies or repros of these pouch ,and luger holsters, i have seen used modern chromium salt tanned leather this pouch is oak tanned once you compare the two smells it is very easy to distingish between them also the fakes ,copies or repros use a thiner leather

when i bought it i sent photos to jerry to get a price on restitching
he said it was a commercial piece and i agree

hello jerry
that is not what you said when i sent you the photos!

Nick, Please do not put words into my mouth. It's not sanitary.

Regardless of what you think I said...It is what it is. If, as you say you have collected for 30+ years and you know your leather, you know exactly what this double magazine pouch is.

It is foreign made, Turkish perhaps, Pakistani perhaps. The same design is currently made as a reproduction today.

It is NOT proper for the Artillery rig you sold. It is NOT of the same era, it is NOT a belt carry type and is NOT German made.

This takes nothing away from your fine Artillery rig. It's just a double mag pouch made in another country at another time.

Jerry Burney

Just an observation from somebody that knows very little about the subject, but the mag pouch pics show a probably machine made lock-stitch rather than a regular sattler hand-stitch. Yes-No?

Ron, Yes, I noticed this as well. The regular stitching found on German WW1 double mag pouches is machine stitched. Parts of this piece show regular machine stitching..parts are either an overstitch or the type of stitch found at the top of sugar sacks or paper feed bags. These enable you to pull it out by grabbing the end of a string.
The thread in this appears to be linen which would be correct for a 1945 and earlier construction.
It's my opinion that this was made earlier than 1945. When and by whom is open to debate. Certainly not by the Germans.
Jerry Burney

I obtained a genuine test luger holster displayed on Marios Artillerie site for less than he asking, and mines legit, Gerry can attest to that!

Guys,

Might Nick's double pouch be a Persian...???

Seems similar to a pouch FGS is showing for sale with one of their guns :

http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/images/art9777.jpg

http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/images/art9777.jpg

cirelaw
i didnt ask it sold at auction what would you sell your rig for? if you put it on ebay and it went for $4500 would you refuse to sell it as you thought the price was too high ? i don't think so
i bought my as new 1914 dated rig from a museum for under $200 there are buys out there.
pete
i think you are right persian when was the persian contract ?

i might be getting a bit touchy but cirelaw " mines legit" so is my rig i only added the pouch as a sweetener i dont think it added to the end price

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thanks patrice
i am happy the buyer will be happy thats the end of it
until i sell the next one!

Hi Nick...

Off the top of my head...I think the mid 1930's for the Persian contracts...not sure if the leather shipped with the Mauser guns or if the leather was purchased separately in Iran...

i have a persian rig and leather is all but the same in weight colour and smell as the pouch i wish i had not sold it!

Nick, Eric had a stroke several years ago, he will repeat himself and post more than once, plus has to type one finger at a time. he does pretty good considering. He tries hard, so no reason to take offense at what he says.


Ed

Nick,

Here is another Persian rig Dr. Paul Regnier has for sale in CH...with a double pouch...

http://www.luger-genesis.com/images2/hd/IMG_2681.JPG

http://www.luger-genesis.com/images2/hd/IMG_2681.JPG