I Need Help!
 

Like I said, I need help. New to forum's, And way new to Lugers. I have been buying & selling guns for years. Mostly 1911's. For the last 10 years, I have allways loved Lugers from afar. Never knew about them so never bought one.
hk's, sig's, colts, glocks, les baer's, wilsons, I have had them all. THEN i got married! Where the hell did my gun $ go? THEN, kids! So needless to say my priorties changed. So have my tastes. I now have to sell a gun or two, to get one. Now selling guns that i have no passion for. And buying guns that mean something. I just sold a few, and bought an M-1 Garand, a High Standard .22, A Belgium Browning Trap gun & a Carbine. You know what, I like having Good old guns that look good, i can shoot, interesting & might be worth more $ later. So I am selling a couple of Kimbers on gun broker, and buying my first Luger. You know what i know about Lugers NOTHING! Well a little. I know what I THINK i want. Military or Commercial i don't know. I know i want a shooter, well, a gun some collecters would not shoot, but i would. Only about 20 to 50 rounds a year. 95 & up blueing, ALL matching numbers even the Mag. Something with a little history. And will gain value. At least a little. My budget will be about $1,000. A little more little less. Depends on my Kimber sales. Is this possible? I was going to buy on Gunbroker, till i read on here, Not to buy a Luger on an Auction site. So Guys, what do i do, were to buy. I want a great Luger for a great price. Doesn't everyone! Help! Thanks, Guys!

In the condition you want,and the price you wish to pay. I wish you luck. Mismatched shooters are going for between $500-$650. I'm not saying you will never find one- I'm just saying for a 95% + pistol you may have to add another $1000.

LL, I suspect your budget is a tad short for 95% all matching with a matching mag. Generally an honest pistol in this catagory is going to start at $1300 to 2300. The matching mag is what kicks your dream in the head. You could probably find what you are looking for in this price range without the matched mag. Have patience and keep beating the bushes.
Most dealers will have pistols priced high, auctions are good if you ask enough questions and find an honest seller. Mostly this is a collector board so it is difficult to pry any pistols like this away from us. We are looking for them too! Good to try though, never know when someone is willing to give up something .
Welcome to the Luger Forum, glad to have you! Jerry Burney

You might look at Joe Salters site for some examples...

http://www.joesalter.com/index.html

I'm sure a number of the members of this forum (including me) could supply a decent matching Luger in the $1000 range, but definitely not if you insist on the matching mag. Lugers with matching mags are definitely desired by collectors, and that's what drives the price up.

Not to be cynical, but if your knowledge of lugs is low you might find a P08 with renumbed mag. Be careful, as some mags have been ground and renumbered and the unwary might be tricked. I saw a collection of about 6 lugs and 5 had bogus mags. The seller/dealer had no idea. Just be mindful when you look at that mag. Good luck on the hunt...

You guys are great, I am Learning! Keep 'em coming! Thanks!

Ok Guys! close to selling some guns, so very close to buying that first Luger. I have been looking for a shooter, and I am thinking I would like to have a "reblued" nice looking "matching" Luger. #51355068 is a luger on gunbroker. This looks like what I would want. I think. This is from someone who has NO lug history! What do you think? I want a good deal! Point me in the right direction! Sell me one or something. I hate not knowing what I am talking about! Anyway, thanks.

This appears to be a rather nice, craftsmanly, older refinish job. Actually, its quite a bit nicer than most every other refinished Luger you see, and comes closer to a restoration (which it is not). I'd be curious to know what the bore is like if I was intending to shoot it.

In my opinion its price has reached its value, although if the goal is to have a really nice looking Luger for shooting, and only one, a person might find it worth a premium. I hope the seller hasn't set his reserve unrealistically high.

If you get it, in the long run you will probably find yourself wanting to have the small parts properly strawed. Also, consider that the magazine is not proper for the gun, and certainly useless for reliable shooting. You will certainly need other magazines, and may find that you want a proper wood-bottomed authentic magazine for display purposes.

A very intriguing rework, thanks very much for pointing it out. And good luck with it or whatever other Luger you decide on, be sure to let us know.

--Dwight

Thanks Dwight. I don't think I will have the $ in time to bid on that one. Just wanted to let you know what i am looking for. And if that was alright. I don't know what strawed means, and i don't want a lug that will not be reliable ( to a point). My budget will be somewhere around $1000. I guess what I am asking for is to be told, hay have this gun or saw this gun on so & so and it looks like what you are looking for and a good buy would be this much $. Asking to much? Maybe. I know a lot of you guys know a lot more than I about Lugers. I just want to benefit from that knowledge. Sorry. And thank You.

Sean, There were two very respectable Lugers offered on this very Forum in the last few days. One a 6" with a new barrel. Neither of them reblued as I recall. One at 1000 and one at 750.
Just as an aside, shortening Herr Lugers name to lug is sure to be irritating to others as well as myself. This is a great and famous man who deserves our respect. I have as little time as anyone I know to contribute to this Forum and the many eMails I recieve asking my sage advice. I shorten nothing for which I hold high regard, especially concerning Herr Luger and my fellow Forum members. But, that's just me.
Thanks! Jerry Burney

Take a look here for a smokin deal...

http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8088

Jerry, Very sorry for the Lug thing (sorry, did it again), I have only been on this site for a very short time, and have seen it numerus times! I just thought that was how it was done. Just trying to fit in. My mistake. I am learning. Certainly did not what to offend. It would seem to me that man does deserve more rescect that that. I have the same problem with "X-mas" And Jerry, if you see any other Lugers that you think I would enjoy, let me know, Please! Thanks, Sean
limited59@hotmail.com

If the man deserves respect, i should at least spell correctly! Sean.....

hmmm, I have not noticed the "lug" thing. Mag yes for magazine, but not lug? If folks say lug they are refering to a part of the gun and not Georg Luger... Or I'll ban them and be done with him. :evilgrin:


Ed

Ed: Could he have noticed the term "stock lug" and confused it to mean luger??? A passing thought.

I think so too Sam ;)

I TOLD YOU GUYS I KNEW NEXT TO NOTHING ABOUT LUGERS! Sean

I think we were trying to NICELY help you out by pointing out that you might have made a mistake. We were not dogging you out, but that it could be a mistake that ANYONE could make.

Relax, cool down... ;)


:cheers:

Forgot to take the capital lock off, sorry. Not upset at all, just wish this gun would sell so i can buy a Luger. Thanks Sean,

Ok Guys, I sold a couple guns! Time to buy my first Luger! If you look up top, you will see what I THINK I am looking for. I found a couple on gunbroker: 51933836 & 52289140. I don't understand the reason the mags do not have wooden bottoms. Is this correct? I think both want $1300 for them, A little out of my range. Does anyone know of a good buy on a all matching (except mag) 98% shooter out there? When I say shooter, maybe 20, 30 rounds a year. Not much. Thanks Guys!

Sean, Have some patience. Several excellent shooters have appeared recently, more will possibly appear. Don't jump in without some intelligent questions. An all matching 98% shooter is going to be expensive. A pistol with 85% blue still looks pretty nice. Jerry Burney

surf the web dealers and place an add in the "want to buy" section here...we'll keep an eye out..........listen to Jerry, patience.

Hi Sean,

I agree with Jerry - don't let that money burn a hole in your pocket and make a "quick decision" you may regret later (trust me - I know from experience ;) )..

As many have said, a "matched shooter" nowadays, is somewhat of an oxymoron - as "matched" means it's collectible - and a "shooter" means you can risk replacing some parts without hurting the "collectors" value ;)

Hmmm..>?? So now - let me get you started down the "slippery slope" of collecting..!

I'd sugget that you purchase a mis-matched import if you want a shooter. I recently bought two - the "priciest" is a "byf" in original finish with a mis-matched sideplate. It was a mere $625 - and it's kind of neat.. The second is a finnish luger (w/ a 9mm Tikkakoski barrel) - import marked that I got for under $550 (Ed T. saw it too, so I had to snatch it before he did - hi Ed! )

After getting a nice import shooter, take your time and just enjoy it for a few months (read "rebuild your checking account!!") and start looking for a nice matched Luger from the era/variation that most interests you....

Anyway - that's my $0.00002..

Hope it helps!

John D.

Hi Sean,

You are using 2 sets of criteria that are mutually exclusive of each other.

A 98% all matching (except mag) that you only want to shoot 20-30 rounds a year is still a collector-grade pistol by the fact of its original finish being so strong and having matching serials. Such a pistol has price premiums.

A shooter is either an original finish gun down in the 50-70% finish range with or without all matching serials.

If you are looking for a luger under $ 700 or so, that would most likely be a shooter as I have described above.

Doug Smith and Ken Clark of FGS in Portsmouth, OH have a couple of nice offerings in the $ 950-975 asking price range; that are somewhere in the middle of the 2 sets of criteria I have described. You might want to look at their web site; these guns are towards the bottom of this page.

FGS also has a very solid reputation with collectors as far as a retail dealer goes. I have had several very pleasant transactions with them.

Ken Clark will also usually send more photos if you call or email him and he knows you have serious interest.

Make sure your 1st. shooter is a 9 mm as 7,65 luger ammo is a bit pricey to shoot alot. But shooting 7,65 is more enjoyable (my opinion, only) than 9 mm.

http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/photo.html

p.s.

Check-Point Charlies has a couple of $ 725-975 offerings as well that seem to be WWI honest pieces with history, mostly or all matching, with some wear and non-matching mag's.

http://www.checkpointcharlies.com/sh...4&categoryid=9

Jerry, How does a person who is not intelligent (as far as Lugers) ask intelligent questions? Lugers are very complicated. Sean.....

Would a 98% reblued matching (except mag) be a good choice for my first Luger (shooter). I want is to look good have a little history. And have fun shooting, a little. The matching thing is something i don't want to give up. It's to cool not to have! Thanks.

One thing to keep in mind. If you do shoot a matching gun,and break one of the # parts. You have just turned it into a non-matching shooter worth much less!

Sean, Simple answer to your question, get intelligent first. John D., the owner and kind benifactor of the very Forum we are presently on gave you good advice. So has Pete Ebbink and some others. My advice is to spend a hundred bucks on several books and read them. There is a thread with advice on what book a newbie should buy. The hundred spent will be returned to you a couple times over. Looking for a girlfriend? Do the same thing...Only no books have been written that will help you. Jerry Burney

Another option is to find a mentor who can take you under his wing and help assist with purchases. I looked at your "profile" and see you are in Winchester, VA. I know a serious collector from these boards who collects Nazi weaponary and resides in Winchester. You are not looking/collecting in a vacuum. If possible befriend one of your locals who just might be willing to help... Alternatively, an internet mentor works too

Happy hunting and books are important too...

I guess I didn't notice that in your profile when I first looked... Drop me a private message... the ability to do that is by clicking on the icon at the bottom of any of my postings that looks like two people shaking hands in front of an envelope... (I Live in Winchester TOO!)

You guys are great! thanks! First, to you pipeman45, I NEVER thought of it that way! You are right. An unmatched might be my best bet. Who knows. And John, I will contact you thanks again guys!

Sean,

If you can find a few more loose quarters in the sofa cushions, you might want to go a bit above your budget and consider this 8" LP-08 Artillery luger the folks at Simpsons just listed for sale.

There is nothing quite like shooting one of these 8" beauties.

This one is refinished. The sales ad does not say if small parts match or not. You might also want to re-straw the appropriate small parts if you buy it.

Also...asking price does not necessarily mean selling price with most retail sellers ;)

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=4440

Sean,

Pete is right on. This is less than I paid for mine a couple months ago. If it shoots properly you'll have yourself great target pistol. Get a repro stock (ATF approved of course) and holster and you have a carbine good on the 100-yard range. The experts here say it's accurate out to 300 yards! Be aware that at short range with the stock board only you'll have the corner placed high on the shoulder against bone (depending on your physiology) and the kick is a little sharp. With a stock-mounted holster you have enough extension for a comfortable experience.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...0g_1917251.jpg

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...0g_1917253.jpg

:cool:

Russell

Thanks Guys, looks Great! But I still don't know what strawing means. Sean.....

Sean,

It took me awile too.
This should help.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=14911

Russell

Ok, bought my first Luger! I bought it at the Chantilly, Va. Show. Thought I got a good deal, Now, not so sure. Had some help from another dealer there, very helpful. It is a 1917 DWM all matching, or so i thought. When i got it home, noticed that all numbers matched except ONE! The hold back lever DID NOT MATCH! Stupid me! I have some pix, about 12. I upload them, then have no idea what to do with them. I don't understand PC talk. Man I am pissed! Live and Learn! Thanks. By the way, He was asking $1300 got it for $1050. Waited till late Sunday, Last day of the show. The story gets worse, but to red faced to say right now. POOR ME!

Sean, if you got a functioning nice looking artillery luger for only $1050, then you did fine... all matching would have been nice, but that is about the going price for an artillery model in any condition these days...

There is a tutorial for posting photographs at the top of the Site Help and Feedback Forum that was written by Ed Tinker... it has helped countless computer novices to post photos here... try it... and if you still have problems then ask questions in that forum on what you are doing wrong... but I think you will be successful.

Sean, it sounds like you are to willing to jump in and beat yourself up, there should have been some good LF folks at the show, as I hear talk of the show here all the time, should have hooked up with one of them, now if the "hold back" is what I call the "hold open" device, and it is mis matched, I would not consider it the worst thing that could happen. Its a part often broken in heavy use, often replaced in the field and when I am looking for a pure collection grade piece for my Weimar police collection, I do not let a mis matched hold open device stand in my way in considering buying the gun.....as for red faced mistakes we all have made 'em....I think I am putting together a good police collection, but as it has been said before, I paid my tuition at Luger University, learned and went on....I wish you the very best, and do not let this get you down, count your blessings as we are indeed lucky to be able to buy one gun in a world where so many go without.

Sean,

For your great price, one minor part that is not matching that is internal to the gun should not keep you up at night.

One more lesson one can learn from your buying experience at a gun show :

If a seller knows you are serious and have money and paperwork in hand to buy his luger; ask the seller to do a complete take-down for you before you agree to buy the gun. This should include removing both grips and disassembly of the firing pin assembly.

Having the seller do the take-down should alievate his concern that his gun may become damaged by you.

If the seller does not agree to do a take-down for you; there is probably something he would rather you not see in detail about his gun...and you can simply walk away with your cash still in your pockets. :D

Thanks Guys, Like I said Live And Learn. John, unless i am not finding what you are talking about, all i can find is about resizing pix. I get all the pix uploaded, but have no idea were they are or were to put them. Thanks.

Policeluger, Thanks. There was a very nice Luger dealer from New Market Va. there, who did not have what i wanted. He stopped what he was doing, and took me around the show to find a good deal ( about 1/2 hour of his time) could not have been nicer! He took down the gun, He must have just missed it. Sean.....