My Stainless Steel pistol
 

AT the risk of inflaming a few tempers, here is a scan of my pistol.




http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/smr1.jpg

Re: My Stainless Steel pistol
 

Hi Steve! Neat gun! Looks like a Luger to me! Two questions? The rear toggle pin seems to have a extra large flange or head on it, is this standard to the stainless P.08's......and, does the mag. have a wood bottom on it? till....later....G.T.

Re: My Stainless Steel pistol
 

Steve,you don't inflame me, I have one I enjoy shooting. This one I can take a chance shooting where my original condition 1908 Navy is concerned I have yet to get the courage to take shooting. Thats why they make fords and Chevys. Different opinions.

Absolutely Gorgeous!
 

If you should get tired of it, or decide "it's not really a Luger" Let me send you my address, I'll take it off your hands, so that your mind will not be troubled - he he he he

Re: My Stainless Steel pistol
 

beautiful handgun! Where can I purchase one?

Re: My Stainless Steel pistol
 

Thanks for the response! The rear toggle pin is flanged (or has a large flat head, whichever you prefer) on the left side. That way, it only goes in and out from the one side. The magazine bottom is black plastic. I bought it through a local shop but had to give them all the ordering information. That info is:

AIMCO., Inc

5123 Gulfton

Houston, Texas 7081

Phone: 713-661-9301

Fax: 713-661-5411


I have had to call about a problem with the magazines and the president of the company called me back and I am in the process of getting the magazines repaired or exchanged. He seems very committed to keeping customers satisfied.

Grip Safety ? ? ? ? ?
 

Do all the stainless Lugers have the grip safety?

Steve, do you think...
 

AIMCO should be listed in our Links and Resources as a service to our members? What say you all?

Re: My Stainless Steel pistol
 

Isen't it somewhat strange that both Steve and Bob Regers have problems with thier so called Lugers.............


Regards HÃ?Â¥kan



http://www.vapensmedjan.com

Re: Steve, do you think...
 

Dok,


I personaly see no problem with having AIMCO listed as a dealer in reproduction Stainless Steel Lugers. Even though this is not an original pistol from Germany, it is still a variation. I understand that there is differing opinions on the quality of this pistol, but never the less, it is a form of Luger.


I don't like stainless steel auto pistols as I feel the material is to "finicky" and prone to gauling if not lubricated, but that is my opinion only. They are probably fun to shoot and enjoy. IF they give problems, that is just part of the pistol. I vote to add them as a source.


Marvin

Re: Steve, do you think...
 

Dok, I think they SHOULD be listed as a resource of Lugers. People are always wanting to know about them. They are part of the Luger culture! Their sales cannot be too bad, they keep making these pistols. I think they go a long way to preserving the pre 45 Lugers. They may also give a person a way to shoot a lot through a Luger while preserving some of the collection pieces. Some people dont know there are nice pre 45 shooters. I think they are a good item for the resources section. I vote to add them! I say if people dont like them, dont buy them, but at least give them the freedom to choose. Thor

In all fairness...
 

original Lugers have magazine problems, holdopen problems, extraction problems and cartridge problems also. And PLEASE let's not turn this into another heated debate over original vs. stainless steel, I think we all know agruments by now.

Re: Steve, do you think...
 

I vote deffintely for NO.

If they are placed on the links and recources that is partly the same as they have LUGERFORUM quality mark.

It's the same as saying to beginners and less knowing people those guns are fine go ahed and buy them.


I am convinced there are enough original missmatched shooters out there to fill the gap for us that want to shoot with our lugers.

Besides it's pretty obvius that mostly people not shooot with a 1500 USD pistol if they can have a 500 USD to shoot with.


Best Regards HÃ?Â¥kan





http://www.vapensmedjan.com

Re: In all fairness...
 

Yep Doc you are absolutely right,

There is numerous probels with original lugers.

Mostly problems is caused by 60yrs plus service life and most importanly of all previus experts that tried to tune triggerpulls etc.


But the SSguns are not 60 yrs plus, they are factory new.

I personally feel that they should work pretty ok.


But ok Doc I will not provocate more in the SS debate but I will deffintely answer when a newbie wants to hear a honest opinion.


Regards HÃ?Â¥kan



http://www.vapensmedjan.com

Re: My Stainless Steel pistol
 

I have 4 magazines and two of them have a problem but the other two feed Winchester 115gr with no problems. The other two are backat the factory becaus Mr. Romo (Rres. of AIMCO) said that they found they needed to change the springs for proper feeding. It will be fixed at no charge.

Re: My Stainless Steel pistol
 

One thing to remember in this debate on reliability is the number of mismatched pistols. They are mismatched because original parts were swaped out for newer ones. the three reasons that I can think of are 1: parts were lost in cleaning,2: parts did not work properly, or 3: parts broke.


As far as reliabilty, the two magazines work fine. Besides Lugers are not noted for absolute reliabilty. If I want absolute reliabilty, I have an Astra Model 600. It fires and chambers no matter what ammo I put in it!

Re: Steve, do you think...
 

I believe the stainless luger should be listed as NEW production in the links & resources, because that is exactly what it is! I personally don't want to side with anyone on the issue of their quality, but, they are a ligitimate pistol built on new fixtures and tooling, probably as close to spec. as finances will allow! For me! It doesn't have to be German or Swiss to be a Luger or Luger part.....Down the road, (it's even happening now!) craftsmen are producing Luger parts, even complete pistols, (Mike Krause's creations) that rival or exceed the original's in many way's! Yes, they are expensive, but that is always reflected in quality hadcrafted works! The stainless may not be a show stopper, but I'll bet they gobble up ammo same as any other luger, and provide the owners with unlimited hours of fun! I like em all!! till...later...G.T.

That is fine. (EOM)
 

Re: Steve, Please Enjoy!!!
 

As much as I respect differing opinions I find myself constantly offended by Hakan's negative remarks about Aimco-Stoeger Lugers. As a proud owner of a Stainless Steel Luger from them my report is that they are functional, nice and very enjoyable to shoot. That is the point of shooting or Luger collecting as a hobby the enjoyability right? Not just measuring the supposed tensile strength of the materials.

Re: My Stainless Steel pistol
 

Dok, John, and all others who service this web site. I will be as diplomatic as I can but Hakan does not simply offer "another opinion". He is rude and outright arrogant and very opinionated. I am through lowering myself to his level but I dont wish to come to this forum to have one of the very things i cherish(along with my wife and my teaching career) constantly assaulted. My interest and my firearm are as much a part of Luger history as the Borchardt pistol. Problems come with new and old as we all know. I made peace saying we just go our own ways but im really bitng my tongue here in the spirit of civility.

Well it would appear...
 

most of you favour AIMCO being listed in the Links and Resources. Just for your information, a company or individual can get listed in our Links and Resources if it is bona fide company/individual that our members have dealt with, or based on a resonable test the listing has value, and members are generally positive about them.


It is my opinion (backed up by a number of you) that this company is a bona fide company and makes a product that fills a certain niche. It is also my belief, the product they produce is not misrepresented in any way, and while difficult to assess the value for a reproduction firearm using current material, I understand many members are pleased with their purchases.


I shall list AIMCO in the Links and Resources because the listing criteria has been met.


Dok (Webmaster)

Re: Well it would appear...
 

Well spoken, and

Thoughtfully considered

A solid decision! dok

Re: Well it would appear...
 

Thank you! One of the things that I like about them is that there is no way someone can modify one to then sell to some unsuspecting person as a rare version. Anyone who knows anything about Lugers know that there were no satainless steel ones built prior to these new ones. They are a reproduction, not a counterfit.

And I appreciate you fortitude...
 

I have spoken to HÃ?Â¥kan and asked him not to be so abrasive. But like us all, he is entitled to his opinion, and as a member of this forum, to express that opinion here.


Like you, I happen to like the stainless steel luger, and feel that it has a place here on this forum. I would not like to see you leave over this issue, there will always be viewpoints with which you do not agree, often expessed vehemently, but you can't keep giving up things you care about, because others don't dance to your tune.


I trust you will not act hastily...


Dok

SS Lugers
 

I have two of the Stainless Lugers and they perform as well

as any of the German Lugers, they look impressive, they hold a good group. Then again most of the Lugers I have

perform well. I have heard of some of the problems people have had with their German Lugers, I guess I have been lucky

so far.


By the way Aimco is manufacturing a 22 target pistol fashioned after the 1911, sort of. It is a good looking

piece, marketed towards the competition folks.


By the way, they are just down the road from me 150 miles

and I would like to see them prosper. They give meaning

to the commercial motto, Made in Texas, By Texans.

Re: My Stainless Steel pistol
 

Gruss Gott BOB!

I agree with you in most respects,but I have to admit (to Hr. Spuhr as well), he does make some valid points.Bob,I have several of these "pieces of ...." as Hr. Spuhr is so fond of calling them. They do fill a niche.I'm comfortable shooting them and if one of these days they prove Hr. Spuhr to be totally "on the money" in this ongoing debate about their quality (or lack thereof) then I'll know if I made an error in judgement when I bought them.

In then meantime,I have to realize he has an opinion which I may not endorse fully at this point,but may sometime in the future. I hope not,but it may come to pass.We all have strong opinions.If we didn't have the opinion that Lugers (or P.38s,or whatever) were nice guns to have,we wouldn't be having this discussion.None of us would have anything to do with them regardless of whether they were new or old manufacture.I'm on board with those of you who say "enjoy what you have at your disposal".I refuse to shoot my old mathching guns.These - who gives a damn if they prove to be less than eternal?! I just like to shoot them.

The next phase might be to look for a postwar Mauser.It's a thought I've been kicking around.These choices might not be the same as an "historic" piece,but then we owe it to posterity to preserve the truly historic (wartime) guns so others can have the thrill of seeing them,just as we have been allowed.

Sorry about being so long winded (fingered),but I find it impossible to stay out of this ongoing controversy.

Thanks all for your patience!


Tschuss! Mark M.

Re: SS Lugers
 

Well if you can find out if they have a website or an email address.. I would appreciate knowing it.


Dok (Webmaster)

Where Do I get One (EOM)
 

Re: Where Do I get One
 

See AIMCO's address in our Links and Resources section.

Re: SS Lugers
 

Lucky you living so close to the company. Now if you could just get your fellow Texans to make a .45cal version!

Re: Grip Safety ? ? ? ? ?
 

I do not know if all of them have a grip safety. I was very surprised when mine came with one. The pictures I had seen previously did not have a grip safety and do have a ridge where the stock lug would have been. Mine is stamped as year 2000. Does anyone out there have a year 1999?