Erfurt 1917 with 6" Barrel
 

Hi,
I have been offered a 1917 Erfurt Luger with 6" barrel, The serial number is prefixed by a lower case m.
I am told Erfurt did not manufacture a 6" barrel Luger.
Any help?

Rod, Welcome to the forum!

Can you show us full pictures of each side so we can look at the barrel. I am sure this is either a weimar modification or a later commerical sales.

We would need to see any markings on it, plus is it marked "germany" anywhere?

Artillery's were cut down, but then usually to 4 inches, unless damaged.

6 inch barrels were put on by commerical firms to sell them here in the states.

Ed

Interesting gun. You were told correctly...Erfurt did not produce a 6" barrel Luger. The barrel on this gun probably is not numbered, but if it is it is a "force match" to the gun. Is the serial number on the front of the frame the same as shown on the receiver?
The gun is a rework, and curiously there is what appears to be a Vickers inspection stamp on the left frame rail. It could also be an Erfurt stamp but it looks a bit small for that.

Seem to have got the pictures sorted!

top

sorry, this ones in focus

underneath

holster

right side

Can you post a front photo of the holster...?

Definitely an Erfurt rebarrelled with a 6-inch barrel. It would be useful to know if there are any markings at all on the underside of the barrel.

If this is truly a Navy-style barrel (and it from the photo it looks like it probably is) you will find that when you shoot it it will shoot very low. The Navy Luger barrel has a higher sight block, to account for the raised, adjustable rear sight.

I don't think there is any cause for alarm concerning the small frame-rail mark..

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...tsmallmark.jpg

--Dwight

under barrel

under barrel 2

Only other holster pic I have

Costanzo (page 255) reports some "m" prefix lugers as 1935 Mauser tool room training pistols. This is the first one that I've heard off with an Eurfort toggle assy and more than a 2 digit numeric serial. It's difficult to see from your photos, but it appears that a long frame/receiver M1906 Navy barrel may have been installed on this short threaded receiver using a spacer ring. I have also seen this procedure used on a few 6" barrelled Weimar commericals. TH

Erfurt 1917, 6" Barrel, holster pics as requested
 

Holster top

rear holster view

Close-up of barrel and witness mark, as requested

Just learned how to crop the photos, sorry

Hello Rod,

This is a very interesting pistol with a matching Navy holster. Also odd that the suffix is set as a prefix on the receiver.

Ron

Note also that this is one of the 1917 broken die Erfurts. Proof that it is in fact a 1917. Not a whole lot of these to be seen. The 'm' suffix (prefix) is of interest too.

It looks like the actual frame suffix is k . The number font on the barrel numbers, the roman lower-case m (not the gun's suffix!), and the lack of a witness mark are interesting. It would be useful to know if there is a step-ring in the chamber.

This is a very interesting holster as well. Absent a photograph, what is the text of the stamp in the middle of the back?

Can anyone here identify what looks like it is probably a proof mark on the toe of the holster back?

--Dwight

Holster marking
 

I am told this is a dancing bear emblem of the manufacturer from Berlin?

Holster marking
 

Jacobus Tillmann, Lederwer Fabrik Berlin-027