What do these mean?
 

Often I see various capitalized letters like HO, and others in descriptions of pistols. I think HO means hold open, but I don't have the foggiest notion about the others. It there a location where these are listed? If not, one someone please reply with the XX = something or another?

Thanks,

Hoyt Weathers

Hoyt,

Designations like this are pretty 'ad hoc', there is no real systemization and collectors use them pretty casually. Here is a listing of what occurs to me at the moment, its far from complete and I'm sure that other correspondents can add more.

HO = holdopen
BB = breechblock
bbl = barrel
GS = grip screw (not to be confused with the marking found on some Dutch Lugers)
Rcvr = receiver
FP = fring pin
TD = takedown/locking lever

Marking designations are a little more regularized.

c/[X] = a crown stamped over a letter e.g. c/N, the post-1910 commercial proof mark (two letters in the case of c/RC)
e/[X] = an eagle stamped over a letter or series of letters and numbers, e.g. e/6, e/WaA4 (sometimes the figure is a bird other than an eagle; sometimes the figure is so stylized as to be hard to recognize)
circle-s = an S inside a circle (sometimes the letter is not an S, and sometimes the figure is other than a circle, but the usage is the same)

--Dwight

Thanks Dwight,

Those will get me a little out of the woods. I *think* I remember seeing RS and RO also.

I understand c/N and the e/WaA #s and se/ and de/, the last two being = to Spread Eagle and Droop Eagle.

I have not seen a circle-s ..... What does that mean and where is it usually found?

Hoyt

Hoyt,

RS and RO don't ring a bell right now.

Circle-S is found on the left receiver of some Police Lugers, usually in front of the serial number stamped there. The meaning is obscure. Many--in fact, probably most--collectors assert this to be a Simson rework mark, but there is no documentation to support this.

There are many other encircled marks, signifying other meanings.

--Dwight

Dwight,
I was wrong. Two I just saw are FT and RL and have no earthly idea what they are.

Do you know of a website with the Luger parts diagramwith the name of each part?
That would help a lot. TKX

Hoyt

Hoyt, yes here on this forum! ;)


Come to www.lugerforum.com and then look under the technical section, there is a huge amount of info just on this forum, plus the many postings where you can do a search.

Also, TD is the only one I use! The rest I usually spell out...


Ed

FT is probably Front Toggle, RL is I dunno...

--Dwight

I think "RL" is right lung, it is part of the price of navy lugers.

Thanks Heinz, that was a good belly laugh.:roflmao:

My mistake. I sent in my right leg. No wonder it took so long to get the Navy. They must have been checking the exchange rates. Jim

Hoyt, RL=Recoil Lug . The lump on the bottom of the barrel.

Ron, I am glad to know the name of that part because one the Luger parts I am going to take macro pictures of is the RL area. The RL has an R to the right side of it and an O (oh) or a 0 (zero) to the left side of it, when looking at the bottom of the barrel.

Hoyt Weathers

:grr:

Lets be gentlemen, you can go to the unmoderated area of www.gunboards.com for off-color jokes.

"Lets be gentlemen, you can go to the unmoderated area of www.gunboards.com for off-color jokes."

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saxman,
There were a series of posts in this thread, that Ed has deleted, in which the language was getting crude. Perhaps humerous to some but not the sort of thing that contributes to the forum.

Shucks! I missed them.

Thank you Ron W., Ron S., I'd have to warsh your mouth out next time I fly over Oregane

Ah, so.

To All,

Eureka! After about three weeks, I finally got my 20DWM Commercial Luger back together this Monday afternoon. That was a B- - - - - of the first magnatude to do. I never, ever want to do that again.
I took several pictures after the installation. I will post them in a day or so.

Regards,
Hoyt Weathers

Hoyt,
It is like riding a bicycle, when you have done it once it keeps getting easier. Congrats.

Thanks Ron,

You are correct I think. It was an uphill slog, but I made it.

I have a couple of nits to pick with a couple of guys above in this thread. They seem to have seen something in the pictures of my pistol which I do not see - and are not there, and drew some astounding conclusions therefrom. I have the pistol, they do not. I am not a seasoned collector, but I see what I see. I took pictures of all of the marks I saw at that time. Since taking those pics, I have found other marks which may or may not be of any significance. It may or may not be worth the effort, but I wish to add to the physical knowledge of this pistol and its history.

I will address those two issues, stated above, later with a msg on this Forum to those two named individuals. They may be correct. I do not know. I am willing to be convinced if they pony up their rationale and logical reasons, and statements of what they saw in the pictures that I do not see.

I am NOT trying to pick a fight here with them. I am too old to be dishonest.

Regards,
Hoyt