1911 Erfurt
 

I looked at a 1911 dated Erfurt today. Number 154 with no suffix. It is unit marked with PL.7.77 It had a hold open added. The gun is not mine YET. But when I get it I will post photo's of it.:bigbye:

Russ

Russ, will you let us folks get a chance to see it at the August Reno show?

Hi Doc
I am hopeing I might. I have a 1911A1 that the guy wants. So we will see.
Russ

hey Russ, good luck! :)

Hey Russ,

Doing some research. Came up with: 7th Landwehr-Pioneer-Battalion, weapon #77, on the unit mark. Kind of scarce. Good luck on it!

I assumed that it was a police school mark when you told me about it on Friday. It could still be, but with the numbers I would lean toward the Imperial marking, without seeing it. Are there periods after the
P and L ?

Ron

Russ,

I hope you do get it and post photos. I'm particularly interested in the grip strap mark. While the "PL." conforms to the 1932 Prussian Manual 40a marking instructions for the Polizeischule f�¼r Liebes�¼bungen (Police School for Physical Training) in Spandau, I seriously doubt that it is from that institution. That school was for the training of sports instructors for the police, who were very into competitive sports and physical education. I doubt that they would have had a weapons inventory, much less one that had at least seven units and at least one with at least 77 pistols. I think this is from one of those non-Prussian "mystery" police units.

Ron,

You beat me to the punch but the above may support your Imperial Army ID as well as a possible non-Prussian police mark. I don't have access to my database now but know that there are other PL. or P.L. marks recorded. There was some speculation about the ID in the past but I can't recall right now just what it was.

Hi Ron
I t was good to see you last week.

No periods between the P and L.

Russ

Don,

I do recall something about another confusing PL marked pistol. I believe it came up on Still's forum.


Russ,

I'm glad that you stopped by. Wish we could have gotten out to have some coffee and talked longer.

No periods eh? Well now, that could open up a whole new barrel of worms. As Don mentioned. This could get real messy. ;)

Ron

Ron

I called the guy that has the pistol, and the unit mark is P.L.7.77
So what is that

Russ

plseven :D

must be a code for a frat at a collage

Russ, With periods where they are, I'm pretty certain that it the Pioneer Batt. that I posted above.

Ron

I have a 1911 Erfurt like yours. On the right hand side of the gun just before the barrel starts is what look like two ceremonial C R followed by what might be a Prussian eagle. Any clues?

Does it look like this, top left;

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/side2_copy1.jpg


If so, then it is an RC

Nope, it's an all-matching. They are two very ornamental letters C followed by R and there is what looks like a Prussian eagle. Could this be a unit or an officer's initials?

You'll have to show us, as it doesn't sound like anything I am used to.

An RC is common, if items added, then value usually drops, unless you got good provinance (although it could be almost anything??)

Ed

I don't know too much about Luger RC's. I do however know a bit about K98k Rc's. And with those the numbers hardly ever match except when they were electropenciled in. Am I wrong in assuming that because every serial number matches that isn't an RC? I'm pretty sure this pistol was a bringback from WWII, cause my grandad bought it sometime in the 50's.

I have a feeling we are talking apples and oranges, here is a discussion on RC crowns
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...4&highlight=RC

To me, an RC crown is a acceptance of a failed inspected part...

Once RC'd it was then accecpted and placed into service. So, all numbers would match.

There are lots of lugers that are unmatching, you have to check the breechblock, firing pin, etc., to be all matching.


ed

I'm not sure if I checked all of them, but I know I counted at least 8 serial numbers. I had it taken apart, and scoured it looking for the serials. I'm sorry if I got confused. When I hear RC I think Russian Capture, meaning the weapon was taken apart and reassemble with no regard to numbers. Thanks for the help.

Jim, that is why we are here and you are here, hell I make mistakes all the time, that is why we keep each other on track. And of course, everything depends on your own perception.


Ed

Jim here's an RC mark on one of my Erfurts.

Ron



http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/rc_mark_copy1.jpg

After talking to another fellow. . .I think they may be proof marks as each letter has an individual crown above it and the eagle looks Prussian. Thanks everyone, sorry to lead you on a wild goose chase. I will upload a picture later today

Jim,

Erfurt proofed nearly every part on their Lugers. Including the grip screws.

Ron