Some info please.
 

Hello all. I just recently purchased a Luger from a lady whose husband had passed away and she didnt want it in the house anymore since she knew nothing of firearms. Actually I bought several firearms from her and included in the sale was a 1916 DWM luger in what looks to me like alomost new condition. Her husbands older brother supposedly got it during WW2. It has not been reblued and the finish is practically flawless....no scratches, pits or wear on the finish. I have never owned a Luger and dont know a lot about them but I do know that it is a numbers matching pistol since all the part numbers are the same. Included in the sale was a Remington-Rand .45 ACP 1911, an L.A.R. Grizzly .50 AE, an import Belgian made FN-FAL in 7.62x51 and the Luger. I got all this for the price of $550.00.
I know I made a good deal and even told the lady that the guns were worth more than that but she just didnt want them around the house. Could anyone teel me an approximate value of the Luger or how I can find out more about the pistol? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

If you could post some pictures of the pistol it would help set the value. Please take close-up shots of all sides and any markings. And please as a favor to an old 1911 fan, include some shots of the Remington.

Yes please post the photos...

The Remington-Rand .45 in respectable shape is probably worth in the neighborhood of $1000 USD

Re: Some info please.
 

Well, a "shooter" luger can go for $400-$500 or so, all depends on condition and originality (i.e. not reblued).

If you think of selling, I'd be interested in the 1911 or the luger :) but as the Good Lord says, cheaper is better. John, he did say that didn't he? ;)

Ed

how many times has this forum been approached by these attic stories? just curious.

I hope sixpack at least gave the old lady a good night kiss.

I am most interested in the FN/FAL, if it is truly Belgian it needs a good home, say in Colorado

:) between you and me, we can give all of them a nice Colorado home Glen :D

The FAL alone is anywhere in the neighborhood of 1400-2200.

Man, I wish I could luck into that deal :^)

I will try to post some photos a.s.a.p. Sounds kinda like Trigger thinks its just a "story" to be polite. Why would I make it up? Kinda silly dont you think? Anyway, the lady I made the purchase with got a bit more than $550.00 from me actually, I own a lawn service and landscape company (this is how I met her) and I agreed to mow her lawn this summer for half price. About 1,500.00 dollars in labor but she is a great customer. Pics coming when I can (no scanner of my own) and the FN is NOT for sale....sorry.

Sixpack, let me tell you a story...

A guy is driving home from a sales call. He's just outside Yakima, Washington. He sees a grey haired old lady out in an apple orchard from the interstate. She's shooting something and it's giving her problems. He can't believe it, so he stops. It can't be what he thinks it is. but, it is. He talks with her for a moment. Then Trades a Ruger 10-22 with a scope for this bothersome weapon.


That was me. 1989. I traded a fine ruger 10-22 for a 1902 Luger carbine that wouldn't function with standard .30 calibre Luger ammo.

It never shot fer sh*t and I ended up trading it for Marine Corp '03 sniper which turned out to be a fake. I traded that for bnz43 low turret mount which also turned out to be a fake, I traded that for a belgian FN/FAL...

And the old lady in the orchard lived happily ever after killing birds with a perfectly good 10-22 with a redfield 4x scope.

glen

Glen, I sent you a Pm about dinner tomorrow night :)

ya, Ed. But is it as good as my story about the apple orchard?

not at all, but I want your 1920 carbine that you foolishly traded! :D

1902 carbine, Ed. Not a 1920. It had had a peep site installed. cost me about $800.00 to have the evidence removed. I believe I saw Randall B. with this exact carbine about a year ago. The gun had been rebored to some other caliber, I think 8mm Japanese. It was a weird bird. I shot about 5 rounds of 30 luger through it and couldn't get it to function, feed or eject. The widow's husband had been stationed in Japan as part of the occupation in 1946-7 and he brought it home from there.

I have heard that 8mm Japanese was easily available after the war and lugers were chambered for it. Not much proof of that now?

Heck, if anyone has a 8mm or oddball carbine or handgun, tell me about it! ;)


1902, 1920, heck, same thing, since I don't have one! :D

Ed, PM sent. I just want another Belgian FN/FAL. Do you suppose Sixpack would trade me for the 1937 2nd variation captured on D-Day +3 that you lust after?

Well, at least you ended up with a mighty fine rifle, Trigger. I have to apologize though, the FN is still not for sale. Thats what I bought all those guns for.....it was a package deal....all or nothing. The .45 sold two weeks ago, I gave the L.A.R. to a very dear friend and now Im considering letting the Luger go.

dang. I only wanted the FN/FAL or the .45. At least I'll get a meal from Ed

It was a good weekend for garage/estate sales, I was given a like deal on 6 items this weekend by a neighbor's daughter cleaning out the estate. She lives out of town and the house is sold. Again a lady who just wanted them gone. She said she and her husband were even thinking of turning them in to the police to have them destroyed. The deal was too good, later I felt bad about it. I went back and tried to pay her more but she refuses any further payment on them.
Lucky find as there were no signs about them being for sale at the estate sale, which was actually two weeks ago. At the sale I bought a three drawer tool box. When I got home I found an envelope in the back of one of the drawers with some receipts. I figured nothing to lose by asking about them. It took a couple of weeks to get together but it all worked out.

cool, what'd ya get?

And Glen, Terry says I have to let you get a salad too :D

Well the only thing that applies to the forum is a P38, my first. It is in excellent conditon. It is a Byf44 duo tone. (I am learning this as I go.) The other ones were all pretty nice or NIB. Got a couple of reproductions that I would not normally buy but which I now really like, A Navy Arms 1803 Harper's Ferry that's new and an engraved 1873 Springfield with tang sight, and checkered stock also in new condition.

Well, I'd feel guilty too, but not incredibly, as she is setting the price...

The P38 sounds nice, and I used to have a nice M 19, nice gun.


Wonder what else she has?

The repro's are fun guns too! ;)

Ed, I sent you a PM.

answered...

wish I was still living in Palouse, would come over to pop some caps! :)


ed

Ed, another PM.

l10,

Welcome to the Lugerforum... just wanted to make sure that you know about our "sister" forum.... the P38forum.com

You will find a great bunch of guys over there, many from here, but that forum isn't as sophisticated as this one :D

Trigger....since you seem to be a FN/FAL fan I'Ll tell you a bit about the rifle....at least what I know for now. The rifle is a true Belgian import supposedly purchased by the lady's husband in the early sixties from what she could remember. This particular rifle has a "G" in front of the serial number but I'm not sure what it means...perhaps you do. It also has "F.A.L. cal. 7.62" stamped on the receiver. I also have a rifle built and imported by Steyr in the early seventies. A note of interest on these two rifles is that both of them have the automatic safety sear recesses which was banned on both versions of the rifle for import to the U.S. but only after some had been already sold.....these rifles were considered exempt from the ban. I havent confirmed this but it is what I was told by a gun dealer. Also in my collection is a 1950 prototype chambered for .280 British.

I have had this rifle for about seven years. I purchased it for $1400.00 as an odity addition to my collection. I had no idea it is a rare piece, actually since you tell me it is rare then is probably a fake or something. I was told what it was at a gun show about two years ago because there are no markings on the rifle other than the "FN" logo on the right handside of the receiver. I purchased it from a man from Georgia who told me that in the early fifties it was a rifle tested by the U.S. government to replace the M-1 Garand. When I asked how he came about it he became vague and changed the subject. I have no way of confirming this story and it well may be a fabrication. If I can get one of my friends to help me with submitting photoswith my posts I add pictures but I have no idea how.
Now, as for my nickname. I only dabble slightly in firearms.....my true passion is classic American automobiles. I have a 1969 Dodge Super Bee which is equipped with a 440 cubic v-8 engine. This engine is aspirated by three two barrell carburetors which Dodge nicknamed the "six pack". So the car I have is a 1969 Dodge "SixPackSuperBee" and hence the name.

Posted for TAC by Admin... as Tac is photo-upload challenged at the moment
 

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/fal_280br.jpg

Dear Mr SixpackSuperBee - this is the .280 British calibre prototype as examined by the US government in the early 1950's. I have never seen one. Ever. And I was a frequent visitor and user of the MoD facilities in the Pattern Room, where all YOUR Sharps prototypes are permanently held, as well as about 200,000 other weapons.

After the war, and in response to the need to have a smaller more easily handled infantry rilfe with enough power ot do the job, the British came out with EM2, a radical bull-pup design. The Belgians came out with the FAL, and in an attempt to pursuade the allies to buy it, made trial units in .280 British to present to us and the US, as the latter at that time did not have an intermediate cartridge [the .30cal M1 carbine did not count as an full-blown infantry weapon]. The US, who by that time was developing the round that became called the .308Win/7.62x51NATO] were not interested. The British governent canned the wonderful bull-pup EM2, which we should still be using today, and bought the FAL which we, along with Canada and the rest of the commonwealth, built to imperial standards rather than metric. We called it the SLR L1A1 [Self loading rifle], and it served us all well from 1956 to an undisclosed time that is not as far back in the past as you imagine. I loved it. It was accurate up to 600m or so, worked no matter what you did to it, and fired a serious round that really smarted, althoguh on a good day you would not have felt a thing. Unlike the Daisy-thing we have now, I never saw anybody take a 7.62mm hit and get up and walk away.

The US trial weapons are lost to history, but your weapon is a rarity indeed. It's value cannot be estimated if both the MoD Pattern Room and FN are interested in seeing it again.

By itself it is an interesting piece of British and Belgian history, a might-have-been. It is certainly far rarer than any Borchardt could ever be.

Give me a call on pm if you want any more info.

tac

Well, I believe I was correct in thinking that my rifle is a fake. Although it looks very similar to the photo you sent in your reply, my rifle has a much more angled hand grip and there is no brass diamond shaped plate on the butt-stock. Also there is no flash supressor on my rifle.....just a strait barrel. But it does fire the .280 cartridge (7x43 is stamped on the back of the few cartridge casings I have). I find it impossible to believe that I would have stumbled on such a supremely rare specimen that uou describe and for only 1400 bucks. It looks like I was dupped into believing I had something that I didnt. I had no idea of the rarity of the rifle you describe. I believed the old man because he seemed so very knowledgable...and may have been....but MY GOD, you should have seen his wonderful collection of firearms. Most impressive to me was he owned EVERY Winchester rifle ever made from the companies beginnings until now. All working originals and he was very protective of them. He even treated me and let me shoot his Gattling gun (I believe he said it was .75 caliber) It was shooting bricks through the barrells, lol. Anyway, thank you for setting a little straiter on the rifle I have....but now I have no idea what it is, lol. Still, if I can provide photos of it I will at my earliest convenience.

Sixpack,
Hey these folks are trying to help you id this rifle. Send them the numbers, there is no embarassment in it not being what is hoped but.....if it does turn out be the real thing sounds like you could change that moniker to Hemicudaconvertible. Worth going the last step.

Hi Tac,

I know all the other members think you're just a peach--but excuse me, could you please speak "English?"
DougT

No Sir, Mr. tacfoley,

Here the term "think you're just a peach" is very complementary and means that people think most highly of you (as they should). I was only kidding you about "speaking English," as (obviously) you do. I speak "American", and am proud of it.

Your third paragraph confused me totally--what in the world were you saying?

I've lurked about the forum long enough to know that you're a cool guy, and if you ever get to LA (that's Los Angeles to all those on the other side of the pond) let me know and we'll down some brewski's (beer). Like they say in LA: "You da man, Tac!" (this means we sincerely feel that you are a tremendous individual and we absolutely respect and admire you).
DougT

heh, heh, especially in Atlanta, where Georgia is the Peach capital of the world....


:D

hey, sometimes the thick skinned guys have "thin" skins!



:D:roflmao::D

Hi Tac--Is what you are calling the "280 British" the same cartridge that we call "280 Ross" ??
what rifles was it used in. ?? Thanks--Al :) :) :)

You sure cleared that up--Thanks very much-Al :cheers:

hmmmm, Tac, ever hear of "lunch-box" specials.... ;)

Lunch Box Specials
 

"Lunch Box Specials" are those firearms whose origin can be (or perhaps can't be) traced to parts that were surreptitiously removed from a factory in worker's lunch boxes, and assembled outside of the factory and without the factory's knowledge...

In some cases, these firearms have no markings whatsoever... one of the websites dedicated to the M1911 has photo examples of such guns... and I have seen photos of at least one Luger that had never been serial numbered or factory marked...

How they got out of the factory will always be a mystery... :rolleyes: :confused: :o

Well, here is the step you thought I wasnt going to take Tac. I have been busy with hiring and scheduling at my work and have not had the chance to post the serial number of the rifle I have but here it is. T-48-0002 or T-48-0012. There seem to be grinding marks under the serial numbers and then these numbers stamped over the marks, the second to last number is hard to make out. I have no idea whi you seemed upset with my last post but if I offended you in any way please accept my most humble apologies.
I would include photos but I have no scanner and dont know how to anyway. I want a friend to do it for me but his father recently passed and he has been unavailable.