Persian Luger
 

HI.This is George.I uploaded the pics of my luger.Can anyone tell me where they are.If you can view them meybe you can tell me something about it.Thanks

Re: Persian Luger
 

Hi George. If you uploaded them as part of your message, well, something didn't go quite right. The biggest problem with uploading a photo that people make is cutting and pasting the http address (since the http and the colon are already provided in the text bar. Can you go back and try again, since I don't think they showed up. If, on the other hand, you sent them to the webmaster to post then they are probably still in his in-basket.

Re: Persian Luger
 

I just tried to upload a pic that wason my computer not on a web page.Do i need to make it a web page first.Thanks

Re: Persian Luger
 

It doesn't have to be on a web page. You just have to know where it is on your computer and what the file name is. (i.e. C:\Program Files\Adobe Photoshop\Pictures\pistols\persianluger.jpg

The forum's software will upload this from your computer and attach it to your message (so's we all kin see it).

Pic of his Luger. Which, I also want badly
 

You can send me your Persian Luger, and I'll be more than happy to take some Digital Pics of them.


j/k


George sent me some pics via email, here is one of them:


Pics were a bit blurry and I would suggest using a 'flash' with the camera. Or, more light for sure.




http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/Luger/LUGERP~4.jpg

Re: Persian Luger
 

This is another picture of George's Persian Luger. It is the property of the late Shah of Iran and was a gift to him from a retired US military officer. It is virtually unfired, in it's original box from Mauser and has the dated test target (1936) included. Not shown is the holster. What a piece of history. He believes it has only been fired three or four times. He has all the verification papers. You get to see it first here.




http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Persian.JPG

Re: Persian Luger
 

Hi George,


You have not only a Persian Luger (one of the more rare variations), but a presentation Persian Luger. As this is a one-of-a-kind Luger, I cannot even guess at how many thousands of dollars it would bring if sold. Iâ??d strongly suggest you have it appraised, and insured


Best regards,


Kyrie

Re: Persian Luger
 

Thanks Kyrie.I think it might be worth 20,000 plus but who would i get to appraise it.I don`t know any.Thanks

Re: Persian Luger
 

I agree with Kyrie and go slow, the insurance is the first thing and find an authentic appraiser. When people see this gun, they might throw some dollar amounts at you, but I would wait for sure and find out what it is really worth! I would sugguest not only Shattuck but perhaps somebody else like Bob Simpson! I would get two or three estimated and they will have to handle/see the gun to give you an acurate appraisal. These specialty guns must be authenticated as being real and not someones fake up! Just the few pics I have seen indicate on first examination the real deal! WOW, this Beauty could be worth some high dollars. It's importance to history is of paramount importance to Luger Collectors and it must be preserved! Thor

Re: Persian Luger
 

George, hopefully you can post some really clear pictures of the added inscription in Farsi that is on the pistol. This will shed a lot more light on the history of this excellent example of a Persian Mauser contract pistol. Be really careful when you fold the test target back up, sometimes old paper is really solid appearing until it hits the air and then it falls apart. Great to see this surface out of the closet, George, as this doesn't happen often. Thanks.

Re: Persian Luger
 

George, I�´m sure that any of the internationally acclaimed Luger authorities would be glad to charge you for an appraisal. But they would need more information than has been made available as yet.


When was the Mauser made? What is the serial number? Is it fully-numbered? Are the magazines marked with the pistol? If it is a pre-war Luger, why did the U.S. officer take the trouble to present the Shah with a pistol that had been issued in large numbers to his own armed forces or had already de-commissioned? What proof is there that it was ever the Shah�´s property? Who sold it - and how did he get it?


All these questions (and a few more) would have to receive satisfactory answers. Without answers, the engraving is merely detrimental to the value of the pistol. Patrick

Re: Persian Luger
 

Patrick,

Not to speak for Bill, but I think he was just a little excited when he gave the lineage of the Persian. It was the property of the Shah of Iran who presented it to an American general, whose family later gave it to George.

The pistol is a contract piece purchased by Persia in 1936 and 1942. Part of the contract was for standard 4" pistols and part were LP08's. All the markings are in Farsi. The pistols are well documented, but as with any highly collectible piece it should be fully authenticated.

Re: Persian Luger (?)
 

I agree. Without further proof, I�´d not be willing to believe any story that goes with a Luger - especially not if the story includes a general, a head of state and/or the SS. Was the Shah in the habit of passing off obsolete firearms from his arsenal to high ranking U.S. military staff?


But, on the other hand, maybe her Majesty the Queen presented my old Webley revolver and its well-blancoed holster to some visiting dignitary. I only hope she had it engraved in Gaelic with a suitable warning as to its general condition.

Re: Persian Luger (?)
 

I have to agree, the auction boards often have nickel plated or high polish reblue Lugers and P.38s that all seem to have been brought back by Generals.


Mike

Re: Persian Luger (?)
 

The Shah was in the habit of giving gifts! A retired Colonel in the US Air Force, now in realestate, sold my Mom's house for us after she died. He was the officer in charge of delivering some Phantoms to the Iranian AF (WHEN they were our buddies) during the Shah's regime. He was given an ornate piece of jewelry. It was worth a lot of money. I fully trust this story as this man has full integrity in my view. He was known to tell high tales. I fully believe it! Thor

Re: Persian Luger
 

Hi Folks,


Somewhere in the various Luger reference works there is a story of the Shah of Iran giving a US Officer a Luger. I think there is even a photo of the presentation. This may well be that Luger.


Best regards,


Kyrie

Re: Persian Luger
 

... and I�´ve got a picture of the chicken farmer Himmler with a Luger. Mine just could be the same one. Anyone want to give me 20000$ for it? (I�´d even be prepared to have it engraved with whatever�´s necessary - "Sieg Heil!" etc.) Patrick

Re: Persian Luger
 

Yep, this is really the first item I have seen in a long time that has even slightly raised my LBP (Luger Blood Pressure). When all the facts are known about this piece then we can have all the 'Colonel Erfurt' fun we want. I enjoy that myself. Since nobody is trying to sell me anything, or impress me for that matter, I have no reason to be mistrusting. I believe the history that was related to us and we have seen pictures..let's just wait and see. I am not trying to influence anyone here to 'believe' anything, just thought we were all interested in Lugers. I have reread my posts and apologize if I misled anyone. At this point I will say that it is probably a presentation Luger that was given to a US military officer by the Shah, I am not making any other claims than that. In the scope of all things important, that is maybe a one on the Richter scale (just tought you guys might like to know about it). Full speed ahead.

Re: Persian Luger
 

Patrick,

What is it about the Persian that indicates to you that it is a fake? Maybe you can give us all a lesson.

Re: Persian Luger
 

Kyrie I have the picture of the General on the paper where he registered the gun in Washington.On the paper it says it was a gift from the Shah.If you ever see that story again let me know.I don`t know how how the General got it.His son the Col told me the Shah presented it to him as a gift.The Major General`s name was Vernon Evans.Thank you all for talking about it.If you need to know more about it let me know.I also have more pics of it.

Re: Persian Luger
 

I think I will look forward to a certified appraiser sees it. When and if it is authentic and George gets offered a lot of money then we will know if it is worth it or it is a fake. I am optimistic it is real! Thor

Re: Persian Luger
 

Hi George,


I'll dig around a bit and see if I can find a reference. The name Vernon Evans rings a bell.


Best regards,


Kyrie

Re: Persian Luger (?) - Long!
 

.. I apologise if I sometimes seem sarcastic. Not being a collector - and living this side of the Atlantic, it very often astonishes me how gullible collectors, and how similar the victims of a scam and the perpetrators often are. Whatever the value and authenticity of the Persian Luger under discussion may possibly be, the immediate Pavlovian reaction to an unsubstantiated and somewhat farfetched story sets a price tag of 20.000$! A potential purchaser could even be referred to the Forum, where he would be confronted with glowing testemomials.


On the other hand, the same collectors clamour for protection against fraudulently stamped magazines and other practices that are quite simple to spot if the purchaser is not blinded by the desire to make a quick profit on the basis of very meagre Luger lore - whether it�´s authentic or not.


But maybe the only way to learn about anything is to be taken for a ride by someone else who has also learned the hard way.


That�´s why I sincerely hope that the Persian Luger achieves the 20.000$ mark.

Re: Persian Luger
 

Patrick, from a collector's point of view the discovery of an historically important Luger is monumental. Sometimes items of this nature have to literally be 'talked' out of the woodwork into a bonafide collection so they are not lost to someone who might just decide to have it chrome plated. Please don't misunderstand enthusiasm for gullibility. I wonder how many Lugers of real importance have been lost to 'suspicious minds'? I agree, always verify something before purchasing it. Don't, however, discount it arbitrarily.

Sindbad�´s Luger
 

Bill, admittedly, Persian contract Lugers are not two a penny. And although U.S. generals are more common than others, the Shah wasn�´t exactly over-generous when he handed over an obsolete Luger as a parting trinket. So, if the standard price for a Persian contract Luger in fairly good condition, with its box and original Mauser target is approximately 20.000 dollars (as estimated on the Board), there must be some reason for it that outsiders find it hard to understand. Maybe it�´s something to do with Hollywood. Patrick

Re: Persian Luger
 

FYI, Shattuck has on current list this Persian, not $20,000 but probably std issue WWII left overs, no side inscription:

Food for thought!

"SHAHâ??S PERSONAL GUARDS LUGER MINT IN AND OUT Price: $6,500.00" Thor

Re: Persian Luger
 

One more point that maybe some of us might be missing. Upon comparing the standard Persian contract Luger (4") to the one pictured in this thread..there is quite a bit of Iranian engraving on the side that is lacking on other Persians that I have seen (in photos). Since we don't have a clear picture, or can't decipher Farsi characters, it isn't apparent what it might say. If this was, indeed, a gift from the Mauser manufacturing company in 1936 to the Shah (King) of Iran (Persia) then it might be a special 'presentation' pistol for doing business with them, or honoring him in some fashion. All of this is totally speculative based on further research. As Ted points out, even if it is a lowly, commonplace, unused, still in the box, palace guard's Persian Luger (with matching holster, two magazines, cleaning rod and original test target) it is probably worth more than 10K (US dollars). Let's stay tuned and see what the appraisal is. And, as always,..'take me to your Luger'!

Re: Persian Luger
 

I really don't believe a value has been set on Mr. Bough's Luger as the $20,000 was an arbitrary figure offered by someone on the board. Likewise it has not been offered for sale by Mr. Bough. I find it hard to understand why the pistol or it's authenticity has been attacked before anyone knows anything about it. If I had no desire to own the pistol nor the wherewithal to purchase it, I would not attack the integrity of the owner nor the pistol until I knew for certain that the pistol was not correct as described. It would take more than a few out of focus pictures for me to decide one way or the other about the pistol.

Stranger things have happened. Some six or eight years ago an original Springfield M1 Rifle still in the original gas trap configuration came into a Little Rock, Arkansas gunshow. There it sold for $500.00. After changing hands at that show twice, it was sold at the Houston, Texas gunshow for $1200.00. The dealer that bought it at Houston eventually realized almost $60,000.00 for the rifle because he was the first one to recognize what it was.