DWM Commercial Database Available
 

The DWM Commercial database I have been amassing for the last two years is now available for download. It has over 4,000 entries, spanning the serial number range from the first 1900 commercial series guns through the end of the 5-digit number system, and continuing through the v suffix of the Alphabet Commercials. Many of the entries include characteristics of the guns themselves when available.

The database, in .pdf format, can be accessed by clicking this link:
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...ugers-V1.2.pdf

It is a rather large file so be patient, it will take awhile to appear in the computer window. You can download and save it to your own computer by right-clicking the link (PC with Windows).

The database includes material from many sources. I would like to thank Ron Wood for providing an early Luger database, as well as his Test Eagle database; also Doug Coffey for passing along the Dave Soracco database.

Thanks particularly to all of the participants in the online Luger Forum, Jan Still's Gunboards Luger Forum, the NAPCA forum and Auto Mag, and patient gun show table-holders who graciously provided information about guns from their collections for this survey. This could not have been accomplished, particularly in so short a time, without the existence of the internet and the kindness of all of you who have helped this project along.

The downloadable file itself is being hosted on the Luger Forum. The single location means it will be much easier to maintain and upgrade. Thanks very much to John Dunkle for his gracious offer to host it. Thanks also to Ed Tinker and John Sabato for their assistance in file conversion and actually making the file available.

I still seek data on DWM Commercial Lugers to expand this database. If you have a Luger which is not represented here, or if you can provide additional information on any guns already listed, please post the information here or email me, dwightg@pacifier.com . I appreciate being sent full serial numbers; hidden-number xx submissions are not useful as data points.

I will be posting updates to the database occasionally, as significant amounts of new data are added.

This database incorporates a large database compiled many years ago by Dave Soracco, which has a comprehensive alphabetic code describing features of the entries, for which there is no key. If you know the whereabouts of Dave Soracco, or have a copy of this database and know the key, please contact me.

I have derived a great deal of satisfaction from putting this database together, I hope you enjoy it and I hope it will be of assistance the next time you examine or determine to buy a DWM commercial Luger.

--Dwight

Dwight,

Thank you for all your hard work

Jim

Dwight,

An outstanding job. The collecting communitiy owes you a debt of gratitude.

Dear Dwight;

What a resource! What a lot of work also.

I have one gun on the list with one bit of data missing; # 67010 is an 06 Eagle. Somehow that part got shifted out by the proof I think.

David Jackson

David,

Thanks very much for the correction.

--Dwight

Dwight......... Thanks for the very good work.......... dave

Dwight Nice piece of work. Thank you. Bill

Dwight...... Found another in my data base that you are not showing. It is #67913 and was a 1906 Commercial....... dave

Dave,

Thanks much for the number. Any other associated info--9mm? proof? GERMANY? etc.??

--Dwight

'D' the MAN, if you cant find them, no one can!!!!!!

Dwight,
I have sent to your e-mail address the SNs and other info on the pistols for two commercial Lugers not in your database.

Hoyt Weathers

Dwight: I am going to have the opportunity to inspect a 1st issue DWM Swiss Military with an unrelieved frame. It's serial is one of the serials listed on your list. Does this mean that serials for comercials and military could be the same? Do you have any insight into this. Or could it be my commerical was made/numbered and proofed into a Military? Your input would be appreciated.

Sam,

Swiss Commercials and Swiss military are separate serial number ranges, there will definitely be pistols in their respective ranges with the same numbers. Swiss Commercial have c/BUG proofs; Swiss military have a Swiss+ along with a +/V left receiver proof.

I've made every effort to ensure that only Swiss Commercials are in the Commercial database.

--Dwight

Dwight: I appreciate your input, thank you.

Dwight,
a new recent addition to my AE collection is a 1906AE serial number 31029, no bug proofs, serial # on the bottom on the take down lever. It has a strange looking stick "S" under the barrel centered and just above the serial number. Shallow. The gun is 30 caliber and has 'GERMANY' on the front of the frame.

I was comparing this gun to another 1906AE that I posted with you a while back (serial #63108). Missing from your database info is the 'lazy' crown n's on the left side of the receiver and just crown n's on the left side of the front and second toggles and also centered above the serial number under the barrel.
Big Norm

Norm,

Thanks for the additional info. I'm curious as to what the stick S really looks like. Also, is 63108 GERMANY stamped?

--Dwight

I have just had the chance to look closely at this. It is very interesting. An excellent piece of dedicated reporting.

(I had however hoped you would have pictures of all the witness marks :-)

Dwight,
yes, my 1906AE serial 63108 is 'GERMANY' stamped.
Big Norm

Dwight, I have two mint 1920 commercials not on your list, both .30 cal.,
blank wood mags, no Germany markings on either one, s/n 5024n and s/n
9860n

Aaron,

Thanks much for the additions. Upright c/N on both left receivers?

--Dwight

Yes, both upright.

Dwight
I emailed you info. on my 1920 com. but didn't get reply. I needed to add info. anyway. 30 cal. S# 3686 P. I think it's a "P" but the bottom of the loop is not closed. Possibly lower case "r". Looks more like a "P" to me. Upright C/N on barrel, left side of receiver and left side of breechblock. Germany on frame rail above takedown. Takedown #s are on bottom.Safety has GERICHERT, and is on in the down position. No grip safety. GELADEN on extractor. 3 7/8" barrel. Has stock lug.
Mike C.

Mike,

Apologies if I did not get back to you, it looks like I never got your email...

Anyway, thanks very much for the information, I'm glad to get every addition.

--Dwight

Dwight
Im not sure of the date on mine mabe a 1914. Its about 95% SN#85725 with germany under the sn on the front of frame. It has a upright crown ove n on left side and a horizontal one on the toggle and a vertical one over the sn under the barrel. The sn is on the bottom of the takedown and it is 30 cal with no grip saftey. No proof marks of any kind on the right side. Hope this helps clint

Clint,

Thanks very much for the report. It would be very unusual and noteworthy if this gun has a date on the chamber. Could you tell me, is it stamped GERMANY anywhere?

--Dwight

Nope no date on the chamber but it does have germany on the front of the frame under the SN thanks clint

Dwight
Seems I have found another one I didnt know I had SN# 5580 suffix L made in germany on left side of barrel no chamber mark DWM on toggle all numbers match in 30 cal. The small parts all seem to be numbered on the bottom. Wood bottom mag with no markings. has about 95% blue and 80% straw and the best halos around the numbers of any of my pistols. Anything you could tell me as far as date and value would be helpful. Thanks clint

Clint,

Thanks very much for the extra info.

Your 20DWM sn 85725 was made very early in 1921. In my database, sn 85260 is the last 1920-dated Commercial I have recorded, and sn 85473 is the first 1921 date recorded.

Your Alphabet Commercial sn 5580l was probably made early 1923. Over the last few years I have bought Alphabet Commercials for as little as $550, and realized as much as $750 in trade value. Only the best examples bring the higher prices, the value of these guns falls of sharply in lower condition. 20DWM are worth quite a bit more.

--Dwight

I have a 1936 S/42 serial # 5221 brown grips with 21's all over the parts barrel etc. Anyone help out a newby with a valuation

Jericho144,

Your post is pretty deep in a very specialized discussion. You will get a better response if you start a new topic in the "All P-08 Military Lugers" Forum.

--Dwight

Just to share with you, I have a 1921 DWM Commercial 9mm Luger. Serial # 86883. All parts same serial number.Handle has 18.R.10.16 I understand 18th Infantry Regiment, Company 10, weapon # 16(R is larger font, 18 and 16 are medium and 10 is a smaller font) It has the "Dove of Peace" Stamp 2 times on the right side of slide, and one on the Bolt.I believe this means it was a Weimar Weapon Depot Guard Weapon. Weapon was re-blued at some point. Bore is fantastic and it shoots excellent

.........

Dwight
Two 1906 AE's in a Colorado gunshop. Serial number 55171, Good condition and Serial number 66775 Very good condition. Germany on both. $1895 and $2395. Both I believe are 30's. Bill

Dwight,

I may have missed the start of all this.

I have 9639m. No AE. Upright C/N on left side under the numbers, C/N underside the barrel, but no barrel numbers or witness mark. There is one WM, on the frame. Possibly re-barreled? 7.65. Germany on the frame front, under the numbers. An odd breech. On the L. side is a lazy C/N stamped over an upright Erfurt eagle. Mid toggle another lazy C/N. All nos. match.

FN

Hi Dwight,
I'm new to the forum and have a 1920? commercial.
Not sure if this is what you're looking for?
But it has DWM on top & serial #1928. It has the nitro markings and a symbol almost like an elongated small "n" or "r" on the bottom barrel & in another place. Has Germany stamped on the side.
Hope the helps.
Greg

Hi Dwight,

Saw this one at auction, here's the link.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=272637595
BTW, I live in naselle Wa. Across the river from Astoria pretty near you.
Bob

Data base
 

Dwight,

I have what I believe is a DWM Commerical Luger without a date on it but matched serial numbers 4051.

I didn't see that on your list. Any comments.

Thanks You so Much

Doc Dave

Hello,

Recently acquired a an early DWM Commercial Luger, SN#13225, no proof marks, matching serial numbers on parts, DWM scroll on toggle, V and U marks on receiver bottom next to barrel indexing mark , no other marks. Would appreciate any possible info on the gun, like date of manufacture.

Dwight - I am new to Forum and wondering if you are still taking information. If so, I can provide details or you can see my post ("First Post - DWM 30 Caliber Luger") on October 29, 2013. I am amazed at the amount of work you did for that database. THANKS!