Current German Carbine Reproductions
 

Hi to All:

In this month's Deutsches Waffen Journal (8/August 2003, Page 126) the Firm "Wagner & Sohn" is selling an M1900/2000 Jagdkarabiner for 1,985 Euros (approximately $2,000.00).

From the photo, and ad, it is a remake of the original, including the 300mm barrel and fore and rear stocks. The sights look just like the originals, too.

If a good quality job, this is an unbelievable deal, as Martz repos are now selling here for almost $8,000.00!!

Does anywone know anything about these (our German members, perhaps)?

Sieger

Hi Again:

I'm contacting the firm to get more information.

Sieger

Sieger, For that kind of money sign me up! If you find out anything about this please let the membership know. Jerry Burney

I would be interested in participating in, or coordinating, a group buy. Also of interest to me is the Swiss surplus M1906/29.

Hello,
Is it possible to see a photo?

Ciao

Mauro

Hello friends
here are two URL�´s of German gun makers who offer Luger carbines in very good quality at reasonable prices.
In case their is any interesst, I can contact the dealers on your behalf in case you face trouble because of the language.
http://www.touri.de/werle/Luger/luger.html
http://www.wagner-eltze.de/startseite_1.htm

I�´ll try to post some pictures

regards from Germany
Peter

Hello friends,
below I try to post two pics

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/...inerWagner.jpg

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/...binerWerle.jpg

regards
Peter

Because these are new manufacture, they are not considered C&R and the stock law might be looked into. These might have to be transferred under a different license.

One of these is in my possession. I heard, the newly made parts originate from Romania, assembled in Germany. Mostly made from WW II pistols, all the markings (year, acceptance) remains. New hot dip blueng and new grips. Nice wood, nice finish. No grip safety, 9 mm Luger cartridge. For my carbine is +P+ loading to weak to recoil. Maybe the other are better.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Jan Balcar:
<strong>One of these is in my possession. I heard, the newly made parts originate from Romania, assembled in Germany. Mostly made from WW II pistols, all the markings (year, acceptance) remains. New hot dip blueng and new grips. Nice wood, nice finish. No grip safety, 9 mm Luger cartridge. For my carbine is +P+ loading to weak to recoil. Maybe the other are better.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Dear Jan:

Is yours a Wagner & Sohn Pistol? If not, from whom did you obtain it? How is the quality of the workmanship? The photos on the Wagner and Sohn site look very impressive, especially the wood work and quality.

Does your pistol have the extra spring in the fore stock to assist the regular recoil spring in its action?

Sieger

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Thor:
<strong>Because these are new manufacture, they are not considered C&R and the stock law might be looked into. These might have to be transferred under a different license.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Thor:

Yes, the short barrel and stock may well be a consideration for importing these. Do you know of an FFL that has an import license?

Also, if we can get the parts, we may well wish to assemble our own here.

Sieger

Simpson LTD has an import FFL. Simpson LTD Import Services

I don't think that the butt stock will be a problem as long as the barrel length is 16". Another way to go about it is to write a letter to BATFE and ask them to add this gun to the C

Michael Zeleney alluded to a possible group purchase, presumably with a one-time, one-group shipment . . . . and, hopefully, at a quantity discount.

I would be interested in participating if anyone starts such a program.

Luke

Unless the barrel of these guns is at least 16 inches from muzzle to boltface then these guns will be considered Short Barreled Rifles (SBR) under the National Firearms Act of 1934 and will require registration and paying the federal tax on such weapons if ATF will even allow their importation...

Close examination of the picture, applying simple ratio methods, and using known Luger dimensions, it appears that the barrel length is roughly 11 inches. Not enough, unfortunately.

Admittedly, this is a very rough estimate, but I doubt that I am off by 5 inches. Someone check my estimate, please.

Luke

Friends:

Well, if BATFE won't allow us to import them assembled, then maybe someone, like Thor, can simply import the parts and make them here, just like the Germans are doing.

Yes, these may be subject to special registration, but then again, so are the new Martz Carbines. At this price, I feel that most of us could afford the extra $500.00 "transfer fee" imposed under the Act.

STRICT ADHERENCE TO THE LAW WILL BE MAINTAINED BY ME, FOR ONE!!!

Has anyone on the Forum dealt with a Carbine transfer under the BATFE Regs before?

If so, could you lend us all a hand here.

Sieger

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Luke:
<strong>Close examination of the picture, applying simple ratio methods, and using known Luger dimensions, it appears that the barrel length is roughly 11 inches. Not enough, unfortunately.

Admittedly, this is a very rough estimate, but I doubt that I am off by 5 inches. Someone check my estimate, please.

Luke</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Hi Luke:

This is a recreation of the 1902 DWM Carbine with a 300mm barrel (aprox. a 11 1/2 inches).

Sieger

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Thor:
<strong>Simpson LTD has an import FFL. Simpson LTD Import Services</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Hi Thor:

Yes he does, but his price will reflect it, no doubt. I just remembered an importer that I have been doing business with for years, If we can import these assembled, I'll check to see if he has an interest.

Thanks!!!

Sieger

My carbine is made by B�¶ddecker & Wagner (Wagner & Sohn predecessor) some three years ago. I bought it in Germany from an another dealer. The carbine is very well crafted. Wooden parts are well fitting and made from first class wood. BUT: It is NOT the 1902 carbine reproduction!

It is P.08 (no grip safety, short frame!) with long barrel (302 mm from muzzle to end of chamber) and removable stock. Carbine lacks extra spring, the regular recoil spring (on my piece!) is too strong, to recoil.

Three years ago I heard something about version with fixed (non removable) stock.