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Maestro 11-08-2013 09:55 PM

Reichswehr 1920 property stamped Polizei Luger Opinions
 
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hello, would appreciate opinions on this Reichswehr 1920 property stamped Police Luger . :rolleyes:

Maestro 11-08-2013 09:57 PM

what value would you place on this Luger?

Edward Tinker 11-08-2013 10:04 PM

1917 Erfurt with a gov't 1920 marking - went into police service and received a mag and sear safety - has been refinished at some point, would assume arsenal / so that would be expected...

I am assuming it has a matching magazine, and it looks like its in excellent condition. The magazine is aluminum, so is 1930's era likely. I would venture a $1400-1700 value

More information, rather than just pictures would help

all matching?

holster or anything else?

any unit markings?

Maestro 11-08-2013 10:08 PM

i thought the mag was matching?!!?

Edward Tinker 11-08-2013 10:12 PM

I changed what I wrote, as I assumed... but you don't show any pictures of the serial number, so its a guess that the '24' matches????

DavidJayUden 11-08-2013 10:35 PM

The mag. may match from its rebirth as a police gun. It is not a matching mag from its original military conception.
A nice gun. Congratulations!
dju

Maestro 11-09-2013 12:54 AM

What I know about it retains 98% of its original anodized finish throughout and it shows only very modest handling wear. The pistol also features all matching serial numbers.

The pistol was arsenal re-finished/re-worked in 1920 where the barrel was shortened to its current length. The gun was originally unit-marked on the inside grip area, but these markings were X-ed out during the arsenal refurbishment and are now illegible.

This weapon has a sear safety. I assume that the original mag was damaged and/or lost to time and that a replacement mag was inserted and serial-numbered at the time of the arsenal refurbishment to match the gun.

Unfortunately no other accessories, holster, extra magazine. Just the pistol. Hope that helps :cheers:

klaus 3338 11-09-2013 02:01 AM

It´s a "parts- gun": Receiver is DWM, toggle Erfurt.
Regards Klaus

Edward Tinker 11-09-2013 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maestro (Post 243711)
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The pistol was arsenal re-finished/re-worked in 1920 where the barrel was shortened to its current length. The gun was originally unit-marked on the inside grip area, but these markings were X-ed out during the arsenal refurbishment and are now illegible.
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NO, NO, NO
Old information and not correct

1920 is not the arsenal remarking - see the FAQ to read about the 1920 gov't marking

It would have been re marked whenever the unit changed or the gun went to a new police unit, could have been 1928 (or other date, sure not 1920).

Was the barrel shortened? if frame was DWM, then yes

Maestro 11-09-2013 10:34 AM

Ahh, thanks. Yes the barrel was shortened.

Geo99 11-09-2013 02:22 PM

Klaus is correct.

This is not an Erfurt pistol. It is not what we call a matching numbers gun. It is a mismatched re-blued almost complete DWM - with a partial Erfurt toggle. The fact that the toggle train has the same numbers on it as the rest of the gun means nothing.
The frame, barrel/barrel extension, and all small parts are DWM. This gun has been reblued again more recently (after the Police refurb/reissue). Is there a SN stamped behind the rear sight? (there should be but I don't see one).

The matching mag is a nice touch but adds little value to the gun because:
1. the gun is not a complete original.
2. mag has been ground down and renumbered, but probably not by the police.
3. police issue mag should have a 1, 2, or 3 stamped on bottom.

$1100-$1200 is top value, as a nice mostly matching DWM shooter.

Sorry Maestro, it's probably not what you wanted to hear.

- Geo

Edward Tinker 11-09-2013 03:08 PM

Geo, I would want to see more before I would declare it reblued after the police.

The sear safety pin is in the white. I would want to see under it to see if it is in the white on the underside?

Not all police guns receive a 1, 2 or 3 - I agree I expect to see it. Do you see obvious regrinding on the base? I did not, but I am on my laptop. It does look odd, I would want to see pictures from the sides to see if reground and a real close up of the numbers.

Maestro 11-09-2013 05:45 PM

Geo not a problem, as I'm looking for advise from advanced collectors; I will try to get more pictures from the seller regards to your questions. I'm also learning quiet a bit from Edward Tinker and will see if i can get from seller a better picture of the underneath of the safety pin.

Maestro 11-09-2013 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker (Post 243766)
The sear safety pin is in the white. I would want to see under it to see if it is in the white on the underside?

yes, it is :thumbup: it retains it's whitish color :rockon:

Maestro 11-09-2013 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geo99 (Post 243761)
Is there a SN stamped behind the rear sight? (there should be but I don't see one).

yes, it's "24" :cheers:

Maestro 11-09-2013 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geo99 (Post 243761)
The fact that the toggle train has the same numbers on it as the rest of the gun means nothing.

point well taken; the seller is going to carefully open up the inside & check the serial numbers. I asked him to send me pictures so i can post. thanks Geo. :thumbup:

Maestro 11-09-2013 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker (Post 243721)
1920 is not the arsenal remarking - see the FAQ to read about the 1920 gov't marking

FAQ is a very valuable section, thanks Ed for reminding me of its presence. Here's the section on the so called "double date"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker (Post 243721)
FAQ#40 What is a double date?
Here is another area that is brought up, especially in the GunShow circuit. Double dates. True double datres are fairly rare, and what most folks call a double date is really a Reichswehr 1920 property stamping. I quote Jan Still: The 1920 stamp was added sometime between August 1920 and April 1921. It is a Reichswehr property stamp applied to identify the Luger as German Army property to prevent theft. Civilians were paid a bounty for turning in their unauthorized weapons to be destroyed. The Army feared the theft of its unmarked Lugers for the bounty.(Weimar Lugers page 20-23)


wlyon 11-09-2013 08:18 PM

Unless you are looking for a shooter, and the price is right, I would avoid this made up luger. Bill

Tony Min 11-09-2013 11:56 PM

It looks like a recent refinish to me. Blue in the pitting. Some of the edges ground round. I wouldn't pay more than $1000
But I am partial to guns with wear. Some people like the refinished look.

klaus 3338 11-10-2013 01:48 AM

When I looked at the photos I mentioned that the barrel has the TP (Technische Polizei) stamp and the acceptance mark of those years. It also has another "blue" than the rest of the Luger. I do not think that the pistol was reblued ever.


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