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usmc69 03-26-2011 05:02 PM

What have we got here??
 
A friend came up with two Lugars in a trade One from 1917 and one from 1939. Will post the 1917 pictures first.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...0303/Lug29.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...0303/Lug28.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...0303/Lug27.jpg

usmc69 03-26-2011 05:33 PM

more 1917
 
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http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...0303/Lug26.jpg

usmc69 03-26-2011 05:52 PM

1939 Lugar
 
Will have to start another post as there are to many pictures for one post.

FNorm 03-26-2011 06:21 PM

The magazine tube is all wrong. It should be nickel plated with a wood bottom. It looks like someone took the original mag bottom and put in a modern Mauser tube from the 1970s. See the extra hole in the tube? And that base has been 'played' with. Extra and/or over stampings.

FN

Vlim 03-26-2011 06:46 PM

Yup, the tube is definitely a 1970s Mauser tube.

usmc69 03-26-2011 07:12 PM

O.K. we have decided the magazine has been putzed with, what about the rest of the pistol? Any info will be greatly appreciated.

Norme 03-26-2011 07:30 PM

Hi AJ, The gun looks real nice except for that front grip strap, which I'm afraid is a real value killer. My guess is that someone tried to remove unit markings and went too far. Regards, Norm

usmc69 03-26-2011 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme (Post 192400)
Hi AJ, The gun looks real nice except for that front grip strap, which I'm afraid is a real value killer. My guess is that someone tried to remove unit markings and went too far. Regards, Norm

Thanks Norm. I am guessing this is an all matching piece. But it is just a shooter.........What would the value be for it? $500-$1000?
AJ

ithacaartist 03-27-2011 12:06 AM

Ahem! I could repair/restore the grip strap, no problem. Seamless. How much would that increase the value?
(Never repaired a handgun before; what does the FFL stuff say? I'm a welder/fabricator.)

alanint 03-27-2011 07:47 AM

The grips do not look original. They show way less wear than the overall pistol. Are there any markings inside? If you remove them, follow the guidelines that are on the site to avoid chipping the wood near the safety.

usmc69 03-27-2011 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by alanint (Post 192423)
The grips do not look original. They show way less wear than the overall pistol. Are there any markings inside? If you remove them, follow the guidelines that are on the site to avoid chipping the wood near the safety.


The grip panel is already chipped. Both grip panels are marked with a 46 written in pencil. Writing is not fresh, could be the panels were accidentally swapped. Considering the S/N is 43.......

On this pistol http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=25871 the grip panels are stamped with a 70 on the inside of each.

DavidJayUden 03-27-2011 10:58 AM

As is with the repro. grips you are close to that $500 figure. Repair and reblue the gun and you are a bit over that figure, but whether it is far enough over to justify the addl. cost remains to be seen. Correctly restore the gun and you will throw more at it than you will get back.
Maybe have the hole filled and smoothed up and swab on some cold bluing and go for $650-$700 as a shooter.
Just for my info. what is the chamber date? And I'm assuming that it runs good, bore is OK, etc.
Hope this helps.
dju

usmc69 03-27-2011 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden (Post 192433)
As is with the repro. grips you are close to that $500 figure. Repair and reblue the gun and you are a bit over that figure, but whether it is far enough over to justify the addl. cost remains to be seen. Correctly restore the gun and you will throw more at it than you will get back.
Maybe have the hole filled and smoothed up and swab on some cold bluing and go for $650-$700 as a shooter.
Just for my info. what is the chamber date? And I'm assuming that it runs good, bore is OK, etc.
Hope this helps.
dju

Thanks for the info. Chamber date is 1917.


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...0303/Lug21.jpg

DavidJayUden 03-27-2011 11:15 AM

OK, for you Imperial Lugers guys, were all the late war DWM.s all cut for the artillery rear sights?
I'm beginning to have concerns about that barrel and much of the fiinish, but in the end it makes no difference as it is a shooter.
But if it were mine I'd shoot the wheels off it...
dju

MFC 03-27-2011 04:16 PM

I beleive this Luger started life as a 1917 artillery, LP08. The original barrel would have the 'a' suffix. As far as I know, DWM only used receivers with the artillery notch on LP08's.

usmc69 03-27-2011 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MFC (Post 192451)
I beleive this Luger started life as a 1917 artillery, LP08. The original barrel would have the 'a' suffix. As far as I know, DWM only used receivers with the artillery notch on LP08's.


Please inform the uninformed. What is an artillery notch?

Norme 03-27-2011 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by usmc69 (Post 192454)
Please inform the uninformed. What is an artillery notch?

As you can see, the front of the receiver on artilleries had to be notched to provide clearance for the sight leaf. Regards, Norm

usmc69 03-27-2011 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme (Post 192455)
As you can see, the front of the receiver on artilleries had to be notched to provide clearance for the sight leaf. Regards, Norm

Would a new barrel have serialized to the pistol? The S/N is 43 and it is on all the major parts.

ViciousOutlaw 03-27-2011 08:43 PM

My understanding is that if the barrel was replaced by a German armorer they would have added the 43 SN to the new barrel. On my re-barrel there is also an s/42 marking under the barrel near the SN indicating it is in fact a re barrel.

usmc69 03-27-2011 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ViciousOutlaw (Post 192477)
My understanding is that if the barrel was replaced by a German armorer they would have added the 43 SN to the new barrel. On my re-barrel there is also an s/42 marking under the barrel near the SN indicating it is in fact a re barrel.

The only other mark besides the 43 is 8,83.


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