I'd get perty boring if all we did was agree.

A little spicy disagreement makes for more fun than a barrel o monkey's. :cheers:

Also thanks for the great lesson's on the functions of the luger action.

Jesse :)

I think if 2 collectors are going to roll in the mud about some gun disagreement, they should at least be in bikini's...:D :D :D

Knowing both Albert and Ron...that would be something to behold...

Pete,

Big boys would need to wear those skimpy underwear (what male strippers wear) if we are going to 'roll in the mud', and not bikini's. I'm talking about those G-strings (?) that can 'behold' an 8" barrel!!!

ROTF,
Albert

*shakes imaginary Etch a Sketch to remove mental image of Albert in a G string*

There, that's better.

Y'know, years ago, some rather stuffy folks protested about the babes in skimpy bikinis posed next to the gorgeous hot rods in the car magazines.
They said the babes had nothing to do with the cars and had no place in the photo layouts.
Someone else suggested that next month, the actual owners of the cars pose next to the cars instead.
They did.
In swimsuits.
Bad idea.

The babes were back in the following issue, much to the relief of all.

I think this may apply to gun collectors as well. :D

Even Doctors can disagee on a prognosis!!

'Albert in a 'G' string' I never came up with more scary images while in my coma !!

Saturday night at the Armstrong house :D

9 mm M1906 carbine with reported Spanish markings on this old auction site...about 1/3 down the page....with a C suffix after the SN :

http://www.scotarms.co.uk/catalogues/656.htm

Here is the text :

" Lot No. 500 An IMPORTANT and probably UNIQUE Presentation 9mm Model 1906 (New Model) Luger carbine, Serial No. 26506C (matching) with exceptional matching number shoulder stock. The heavy tapered barrel with ramped foresight, standard 300M tangent rearsight and gold inlaid in the German "Jugendstil" (Art Nouveau) pattern with an angel surrounded by scrolling foliage and inscribed in Spanish - RECUERDO DEL INVENTOR Y DE LA MANUFACTURA D.W.M. BERLIN 9 JULIO 1912 - (Souverier of the inventor and the manufacturer D.W.M. Berlin 9 July 1912) over the chamber. The toggle with D.W.M. motif grip safety and chequered walnut grips. Complete with its original superbly figured stock being cut out of the heart of a burr walnut showing a magnificent flame pattern on both sides. The crown over 'N' German commercial proofing shows the gun to have been finished after this new nitro proof mark was introduced in 1911, despite the serial number indicating production, possibly originally as a prototype ca.1906. Accompanied by a letter from the Argentine Ministry of Justice stating the pistol to have been the personal property of Dr. Roque Sanez Pena (President of Argentina 1910-1914), and confirming no State interest in the weapon. This is both a mechanically exceptionally rare carbine variant and an historically important presentation piece from Georg Luger himself to the President of Argentina. "

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/sa_carbine.jpg

(Sorry...this is the best I could do with the small, single jpeg the auction site offered...)

Eric, you look very funny yourself in some of the images you had previously sent me during your "Wild on E! (Eric)" celebrations!! What a frightening sight for me! :roflmao:

You came out of a coma, I fell into one!!

Albert

Pete,

I think you will agree with me that this was NOT a production line piece.

Tom A

Pete,

Anything coming out of South America and going via the UK should be taken with a grain of salt.

It is interesting to note that this carbine is a new model carbine (with normal toggles) which I would have expected to appear later (maybe around the 1920 period) instead of 1911-12 bearing in mind that other reported 9 mm carbines have dished toggles. If this carbine would be considered authentic, it would mean that the 9 mm carbines were offered in two random configurations. Can this be true while the original M1902 carbines had a standard configuration?

It is also interesting that this 'presentation' carbine (from the inventor) has a C-suffix serial number without a 'GL' hallmark. In addition, the golden decoration on the barrel and better wood without a 'GL' is somewhat unusual, but I would not count it out completely.

Whoever bought this carbine should obtain a second or third opinion.

Albert

Did you look at some of the other Lugers in that auction? Lugers with chamber crests from Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay and Serbia, and a presentation short-frame Navy! The mother lode of ultra rare Lugers. It boggles the mind. It brings to mind the series of articles in Gun Report by Charlie Kenyon on the South American crested Lugers. Boy, wouldn't I like to have a case full of those.

Ron, What crest can I put on them for you?

How about channeling Al Capp and pulling up the royal crest of Lower Slobbovia?

One paragraph in "Luger Story" (Walter, 2001) captured my attention. Page 128:

"Old Models had stopped in the region of 25500. They reached the low 70000s by August 1914; after 1909, however, a few 9mm carbines and commercial derivatives of the Pistole 1908 were also included."

The book did not reveal the source of the information. Nor the detail of those carbines. Sounds like New Model 9mm in the context.