There are many State laws that might theroretically prevent such a scenario but it could be argued that Federal law trumps them. Just a thought.

Mr Green, like many others who work on firearms is being cautious, and nothing wrong with that, he just wants to make sure that the guns he is working on and returning are lawfull. Federal laws will override state and municipal, but often there are municipal and state laws governing firearms in addition to federal. Yes it can get complicated. back when i was at texas dps we often worked with federal agents on investigations, once they came in , it became their investigation. In one case a dps officer had some problems alot like discussed on here, since we all knew the local atf agents , i actually shot with several of them in some pistol matchs. Anyway they took interest in what the dps officer told them and a field interogation brought the atf and the dps to this mans shop and home, it was in my locale, so i was there for support. Long story short, mr green fully understands how things work and wants no problems. you do not need the men in black at your door, trust me you do not.

Thanks Eugene, I received the HO that you sent in a timely manner. Looks good. TH

I know it's off-topic, but as Howard was nice enough to comment, I thought I'd follow up on this...It ended up taking 8 weeks, but who's counting... :D

My order (by phone) was for a Redfield No 75 micrometer receiver sight ['peep' sight] for a Remington 513T...I don't have a Remington, but I intended to mount it on an Enfield No 1 Mk III* ["SMLE"]...

The gentleman's name is Garry Fellers, and he had exactly what I wanted (No 75 w/target knobs & hunting aperture), in excellent used condition, for a very reasonable price...They haven't made these sights since the 50's (according to the box)...Garry travels to many large shows and buys various sights...That is his business...

I finished up mounting it this morning...I have another to do as well, and this time I won't remove as much wood... :p

Took me a while to get the tooling I needed; I'm not a smith and don't normally have the fine screws/taps needed...I also had to find a second base...I still need to cold blue the skimcut on the receiver and re-harden the base, and BLO the stock reliefs (and fix the cut charger bridge)...But I'm satisfied with the result... :rolleyes:

Looks like you have yourself a dandy shooter. My late Uncle used a "Smelly" for deer hunting for many years and brought home lots of venison for us to enjoy.

Looks like the Lugerman has another unsatisfied customer.

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...1337-Luger-Man

Nice shootin tex!
 

Its always been there! Thanks Uncle Ed!!

My experience with Eugene
 

I will post this timeline and let you decide if you want to do business with this fellow.
May 7, 2012 - sent email to "Luger man" via his web sight inquiring as to the availability of 2 P08 parts.
> May 7, 2012 - received response to inquiry, yes parts are available, and how to post payment yada, yada, yada.
>May 7, 2012 - sent order and check for payment.
waiting...
June 26, 2012 - emailed inquiry as to why parts which were already paid for (cashed and returned cancelled check) were not sent.
> June 26, 2012 - quick reply. "I will send them out this weekend."
waiting...
July 26, 2012 - emailed inquiry about parts
>no reply
waiting...
August 12, 2012 - sent inquiry w/snide note.
If anyone really wants to do business with this guy I have only one comment...caveat emptor :banghead:

Ted and Natalie are some of the nicest friend I have.We we both close friends Ted and family. Dear friend were the result of exchanges we have had through our beloved forum. As in life a blister may arise and the best we can do is exacly what you are doing. Let our luger family voice your opinions. We will stand besides you!

I would like to make the following comments about Eugene Golubtsov, AKA LugerMan.com.
***On June 6, 2012, I sent Mr. Golubtsov an enquiry as to how much he would charge to make me a numbered rear toggle pin for my Luger.
***He sent me a response on June 15, 2012 that he would charge me $100 for the part. He also said it would take him 8 to 10 weeks to make it.
***On July 9, 2012, I sent him a check.
***I have made numerous phone calls between then and now as to the progress on the part. Because he was not there, I left messages. He has not responded to any of my phone calls.
***On September 16, 2012, I sent him an email as to the progress on the part. He has, of course, not responded.
***On September 19, 2012, I sent him another email telling him that I either wanted the part or a refund. I told him that if I did not receive either one within 10 days, I would file a U.S. Postal Service mail fraud claim against him. And of course, I did not receive a response.
***I repeated the above again tonight. If I don't receive a response from him by tomorrow, I will be filing my claim against him tomorrow night.
***I will also be sending additional postings about him to all of the other Luger forums this week.
Can anyone give me a list of some of the other Luger forums that are on the Internet. I want to send it to them ALL.
By the way. This is a great forum. I wish I knew about it before I sent this guy my check. Live and Learn.

Welcome to the forum Ken, I see you posted over on Jan Still's site also and hopefully your plan of action will get some results like the last poster on that thread.

Good luck and give us an update on how it works out.

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...een-ripped-off

You may also want post over on the gunboards forum. http://forums.gunboards.com/forum.php

Just as an extra step to get guns back in situations like these.. calling the ATFE in conjunction with the USPS I would think would cause reactions quickly and possibly resolutions without lawyers.

Multiple federal felony charges on so many levels...

I agree criminal not civil
 

This Scum bucket obviously ignores civil threats. You don't need a lawyer. I know as I am! I would follow the instructions above and contact your local Congressman. You willl make faster progress and will get furthur support. Next blast every gun site! I'm sure we are all behind you! Eric Esq.

Welcome to the forum Ken. i have never had any dealings with the lugerman, but reading over and over about him and his way of doing bussiness i doubt i ever will. when i was in texas and with dps one of our officers had some bad dealings with some one like him. It really teed him off, and of course the person who was alot like lugerman, had no idea who he was dealing with. That officer after getting tired of the lies and no response took action. Contacting the fellow officers in his county and bringing in the atfe , who actualy conducted the investagation. Don't think the dps officer got his money back, but the offender had a really bad day and alot more to follow. not saying this is the case , but you may want to look into every recourse available, best of luck Padre Dan. just a added bit , Job} 4:8

So, Ken wanted a part 'made' and have it numbered to his gun.

Ken, sorry to tell you, but that is not an accepted practice to most collectors, funny that no one commented about that....

I would guess he used a 'blank' pin and numbered it for you - sure not worth a $100 to me....

Actually he didn't use a blank pin and number it. He didn't do or send me anything. That is the whole point. I didn't want to have a pin numbered to misrepresent the Luger because I have no intentions of selling it. How about everyone that has their Lugers "restored"? Do they represent them as "mint" guns or restored guns. I don't see anything dishonest about any of it unless the guns are represented dishonestly. I also don't consider it an unacceptable practice as you stated unless, again, the gun is represented as mint or original which I would not do. The whole point here is that it was my money, and it would have been worth $100 to me if he did not rip me off.

Valid point, Mr Kramer paid for a part or service he never got, lugerman owes him the part or a refund, like it has been stated if he was replacing the part to represent it as being original then that would be looked down on. his point is that he did not get what he paid for and is seeking recourse and allso letting the members of the forum know of the bad bussiness practices of this person.

Unless you plan on "taking it with you" no one lives forever and the next owners may not know the story and it will be represented as original all matching.

Just saying.

allso Gary has a very valid point.

This may be 'news' to the List. Lugerman has established a presence on FaceBook. I was invited to 'like' his FB page. There is already one adverse comment from a dis-satisfied customer. There is a link to his webpage business on the main page. Perhaps the unhappy might wish to leave a comment.

G2

He has only one friend a Russian!

Just an FYI - I'm not that old, but old enough and have been collecting since about 1983. Along the way, always bought "spare parts guns".....tons of lugers along the way. After all this time, I have a dozen or so to restore. Make them super nice shooters or fillers right? Why throw a few rounds out of that mint $2,500 byf 41? HAD Lugerman been someone I could trust, I would have kept him employed quite well. No matter how good someone's work is, no trust -> no dealings. Been there in car restorations....not about to do it with Lugers.

BTW, if you call the local police where Lugerman lives, they go to his house. I did. They were geared to go. I said, "hang on - I want my attorney to draw papers" (interstate fraud exceeding $x dollars....yada yada)...he did. Got my stuff. Asked police to "stand down". They'll do a drive by in his area. Keep it in mind. Ever deal with Russians? If you have, you know what it's like and generally - unless you're armed - you won't. The only way is to do a "check point Charlie" deal if you know what that is. Otherwise, caveat emptor. Raus.

Mike, Trust is a valuable commodity. Not too many years ago word did not travel like lightening..it does today and it's difficult to hide. I have always felt I want to treat other collectors like I want to be treated. So far that has worked out pretty well.

I sure like our trades, and hopefully you do too :)

Ed, Trades are a funny thing..mostly they are hard to put together as both parties must come up with something the other wants! Secondly they are rarely exactly even up. Often one party makes out a little better than the other. That's why I like trading with good friends...if you end up a little short you can try to make up for it on the next trade..then you don't feel bad if the other guy came out a bit ahead..he's a good friend and you don't mind!
I learned a hard lesson many years ago in my first gun trade. I was 12 I think. I got royally ripped but it was a good lesson then and now. I still remember that lesson and it's prevented me trading without thinking it over carefully first!
You still end up making mistakes no matter what..

Hi, Just a quick update about my situation with LugerMan. I phoned and filed an internet fraud complaint with the local police department in his home town. They knew exactly about what I was talking about. The next day the officer that I spoke with called me back and said the he went to see LugerMan where he worked. He was advised that the situation was not acceptable. LugerMan sent me an axle and a partial refund. My recommendation to any one else that has an issue is to contact the police in his home town. They were fantastic to deal with. The officer phoned me a total of five times to keep me informed as to the progress, including giving me the U.S.P.S. tracking number on the package. The officer even phoned the post office to confirm that it was actually sent. Without that officer, I would have not received anything. I might add that LugerMan never emailed or phoned me to apologize. The bottom line is that I am happy it has been resolved but very disappointed as to what had to be done to resolve it.

I am very disappointed to hear that Eugene is still screwing his customers. I had thought he was on the road back to honest dealings.

I've been seriously considering commissioning Eugene to do a Luger carbine for me. I have some money saved up for that purpose, and IMO his terms of payment were reasonable. A year or two isn't all that long to me anymore - time is flying by, IMO...

But no communication, fraud complaints, and NO customer satisfaction leaves me...alone and afraid, in a world I never made... :(

It's about trust. He maybe the best in the world at what he does, but can you trust him? His actions speak very loud on that.

Sounds like he is keeping the local police busy.

Not good.

Wish I COULD apply for one, here in NYC....:(

I think that Eugene is not a rip-off artist, I think he is more unreliable than untrustworthy, but that is only from hearing others happy with him.

But, would I send him anything, probably not....

NYS doesn't allow handgun transfers to C&R anyways.

Gee Whizzzzzz! This thread is getting longer than the controversy of Obama's birth certificate. Can't we just make a sticky with a list of the people NOT TO DEAL WITH and put him at the top of the list?................................

But where w'd you get a carbine for 4000 then ?

Sorry for bad communications there.
A refund and a toggle pin at the same time was an
apology in my mind.
May be i was wrong.

Well worth commenting by any Russian or any other person for that meter.

But i am here to restore Lugers , however long it takes, and however meany bad comments i get.

If you can restore them as good as you can type , i will come to you for service.

Eugene, the issues I hear are that you ignore people until they threaten legal action; that you say you have a part, and then take months to supply a part?

WTH? If you want a good reputation; then follow through and keep your customers happy.

I would gladly sell some lugers to come up with a workable, shooting 45 luger - that I actually thought I would get within 5 or 6 months.

Tell me why it takes a year to year and a half to make a carbine? Please, explain it to me?

Make carbine
 

Hi,
it takes about 100 hours to make one carbine.
I only work 15-20 hours a week because it's my part time job.
out of that time only 10 hours goes in to making something.
other 10 hours goes in to answering email, phone calls and sending shipments out as bad and as slow as i am.

I do have waiting list of projects that is about 15 at this time.

I turn about 1 project in 2 weeks in general.

There is also a waiting list of small projects, like functions checks and parts fittings and such.


so 30-40 weeks to get to your project.
and 10 weeks to make it happen.

In realty i work on each project little by little.

Because i rust blue them in 2-3 at the time.

As far as carbines ,

I make 4-5 at the time, make stocks for all, make barrels for all,
make grips for all and so on .

Last year i made 6 of them.

First was out in 8 month last was out in 14 month.

one lucky person got his faster because he got the one extra one i was making for sale and not to order.

That's my life as i know it.

If i take a phone call, 2 hours are gone.

If i answer email an 1 hours is gone.

and projects and shipments get delayed.

If i get a cold, that drops a week of the clock.
I god forbid i go on vacation all hell brakes loose.

That's a ruff estimate.

I am not out here to cheat anyone out of there money,

Mostly i am just doing it for the love of the Lugers ...
That what my wife keeps telling me anyways.

If people have patience to deal with me, they get reworded...
If they do not, they have other options... and as far as i hear anyone that is any good takes just as long.

Correct me if I am wrong.

It sounds like an assistant just to answer phone, emails, and manage small parts could cut the time in half AND do miracles in rebuilding your reputation and customer satisfaction. There are a lot of people that will work for trade for good gunsmithing services or restoration. The art of good restoration cannot be/should not be lost.. maybe an apprentice that starts by office work?

Just sayin.. I am disabled and on a fixed income but trade minor gun work and computer/network repair for labor to maintain my property and cars.