My point exactly ;0)


My first project was a flint lock gun , and it was finished when i was 14 years old ;0)

And yes it id shoot ;0)

I am sorry i did not save it. I wish I had it now.

You can try to contact Herbert Werle in Germany. He is currently producing a 45 ACP version as well. His site is www.waffen-werle.de. His English is fine, he used to work as an armorer for the US army in Germany.

Thanks, i will do that.
I was going to email.
But i can call as well.
Thanks.

Eugene,

I know that I am coming in late to this, but here are some thoughts...

Do not copy the Aberman Luger, use the specifications for the pistol which was actually used for the Army test. The test pistol has the standard Luger grip angle, the Aberman and Norton guns do not.

Make sure the pistol actually functions.

Plan on making lots of extra magazines for the people who actually shoot.

The price point must be below $5,000--preferably closer to $3,000--for Real People to consider buying. Otherwise you are in the same ballpark as Mike's version, or the new limited-edition Krieghoff--most people who would be capable buyers might rather spend the money on some really nice original Carbine or Fat Barrel, or the like. Frankly, you can find a John Martz conversion cheaper than your price point.

--Dwight

Never to late to post
 

Hi,
I am bit confused.

Aberman ? Norton ?
Different angle of the grip ?
Can you elaborate on that a little ?


But how can i find original blueprints for a test gun ?
If i can hardly find blue prints for a copy ?

Martz conversion are not exact look and feel of the test gun.
I have seen them , they do look good, but different.

The .45 actually used in the test trials had a 55 degree grip angle the same as all other Lugers. The Aberman and Norton guns have a 60 degree grip angle.

Ron
Is the different grip angle a attempt to make the .45 ACP version feed better?
The .45 cartridge has more of a blunt nose shape then the 9 mm and esp the 30 luger.so it makes sense to me.
I used to reload with truncated cone bullets in 9 mm. Those cartridges feed great in everything. Even my SS Mitchell!
On a related subject. I recently bought some RWS 9 mm ammo on sale from Big 5.
Not to sound weird,but that ammo is beautiful. The shape is sublime and it has this copper color that just glows.Very high quality.
Bad news,it wont work in any of my lugers. The OAL is a little to long. It wont feed reliably.
So it goes in the Browning Hi-Powers,they work with everything.
Bob

Let me get this right,
the blue prints i was going to get from a Mike K. in CA are of the wrong grip angle ? By wrong i mean not original ?

The gun used in the test trials with the 55-degree grip angle and the two collections guns (Aberman and Norton) with the 60-degree grip angle are all original and all made by DWM in approximately the 1907 to 1910 timeframe. The blueprints made by Mike K. were made from the Aberman gun. So the blueprints are correct for a 60-degree grip angle .45 caliber Luger made by DWM. To my knowledge no blue prints or engineering drawings have been located or reverse engineered for the 55-degree test trials gun.

My guess is that the actual gun used in the test trials was a tool room prototype made for the trials and followed the same grip angle as standard Lugers. The later pistols (presumably brought for back up to the test piece) I believe were more a marketing ploy. The sharper grip angle made it look more like the Colt, pehaps giving it more appeal to the US military, and may have been an attempt to influence the purchase of additional Lugers. Judging from the firing results of the .45 Luger test piece and more modern firing of the Aberman and Norton guns lead me to believe that both grip angles were successfully engineered to feed and function reliably.

Why not just run it through the 9mm seating die and seat the bullet deeper??? :confused:

I am going to tool up for a a 45 GAP conversion.

That way i retain a 55 degree angle everyone holds so dear,
and keep the price tag at 3000 and get a 45 caliber out of it.

Will see how well that starts moving.

And then after i learn my lessons , i will move in to 1907 model.

I really do not want to venture in a 200K project without some support from the world.

But i will keep thinking about it and moving in that direction.

Follow your dream! :) Good Luck!!!

I have a real slacker here in the leather shop..Know what I tell him every day? Less yakkin-get crackin!

Doing that exactly ;0)

Hi lugerman,
how is the 45 gap project going ?

Im interested in a 45 gap target custom luger, and could provide the donor luger parts

thanks
Bill

Would that fellow's first name be "Jerry" ?? :roflmao:

John, yeah..that's the no good slacker I was talking about!

Well don't fire him unless you find a good replacement... good help is hard to find...

Jerry
Please ,please do not fire him until I get all my holsters fixed. Thanks Bill