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Michael Zeleny

01-07-2017 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder (Post 297388)

I can't wait to hear why it took so long. After the event at the Fort Lauderdale airport this week, it'll probably be the last to be imported. :(

I dropped the ball, natch. Kudos to Holt’s for hanging on to my Luger. They are the best auction house I deal with.

Michael Zeleny

01-07-2017 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Stucki (Post 297385)

The 10 Pistols 06/29 with SN P26291 to SN P26300 were 9mm test guns of the Waffenfabrik Bern (W+F). They were used for precision tests in Dezember 1943. Four of the 9mm pistols performed as good as the Pistols 06/29 in caliber 7,65mm, six of them were worse (but still not to fare away from the precision of the 7,65mm pistols). The Pistol SN P26292 was one of the worse six...:)

These tests were quite successful, because one year earlier, tests with other Pistols 06/29 in 9mm showed much worse results (comparable to the precision of a German 9mm Pistol 08, which was tested in 1941 by the W+F).

The test pistols from 1942 had the following SN: 50921, 50922, 50925, 50927, 50929, 50940 and 2. The pistol with SN 2 was an old gun which was already used for tests some years before and performed much better than the other ones. Nothing more is known about it.

Alexander

Thank you, Alexander. Is this info published anywhere?

Michael Zeleny

01-07-2017 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood (Post 297393)

Michael,
Congratulations on acquiring one of the very few authentic 9mm Swiss. Well worth the 6 year wait.
Ron

Thank you, Ron. This one is a keeper to accompany my National Match W+F Lugers. I am planning a 4K video to test fire them side by side at the Burro Canyon range.

Stucki

01-07-2017 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny (Post 297400)

Is this info published anywhere?

not to my knowledge - it's based on my research in the Swiss Federal Archives.

I'm working on different publications - but my Swiss Luger story is not written yet... :)

The last thing I have published is a small book about the Swiss pistol trials 1892-1900 (but it's in German - see below)

Alexander

Michael Zeleny

01-07-2017 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stucki (Post 297410)

Thanks again, Alexander. Do you also work on the subsequent trials? I study the SIG P210, mostly:
http://larvatus.livejournal.com/tag/p210

Ron Wood

01-07-2017 07:16 PM

Alexander,
I would very much like to acquire your Swiss pistol trials 1892-1900 booklet (I can read a little bit of German :)). Where can I find it to purchase?
Ron

Stucki

01-08-2017 06:30 AM

Ron (and all other interested people...:))

you can order the book here: http://www.shop.rwm-depesche.de/de/ - or via mail here: lesestoff@rwm-depesche.de

Alexander

Stucki

01-08-2017 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny (Post 297412)

Do you also work on the subsequent trials? I study the SIG P210, mostly:
http://larvatus.livejournal.com/tag/p210

If you mean the trials in the 1940's, I have enough material for some articles, but I have planned other things first.

Some years ago I published an article in a Swiss gun magazine about the first Swiss weapon exports to post-war Germany (Bundesrepublik) in the 1950's and one of the main topics was the export of the P210-4 for the German Bundesgrenzschutz. If you are interested, I can send you a copy of the article, but it's in German.

Do you have the excellent P210-book from Armbruster and Kesser (Begegnung mit einer Legende - SP 47/8, P210) - I can strongly recommend it.

Alexander

irishcop45

01-09-2017 03:08 AM

I would love to have either pistol. To shoot either would be like driving a Bentley! Thanks for sharing the books...I'm going to check both of them out if I can find them.

Michael Zeleny

01-09-2017 03:11 AM

Thanks again, Alexander. I would appreciate a copy of your article. I have the books by Armbruster and Kessler, Vetter, and Doebeli. My German is not so good, but Google Translate fills most of the gaps.

Michael Zeleny

01-09-2017 04:25 AM

Stucki

01-09-2017 11:05 AM

Michael - I will send you the article next weekend

Alexander

Vlim	01-09-2017 11:45 AM

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Here is the Swiss test firing machine. I wonder if it still exists.

The drawings survived, so if anyone feels like building one? ;)

DonVoigt

01-09-2017 01:30 PM

Thanks for the pictures, it is clear that the Swiss did some simplification to the milling/construction to streamline and make production more efficient.

Taking the original curves away does make it look a little like a Lathi though. :)

Ron Wood

01-09-2017 04:22 PM

A marvelous acquisition, rare indeed. As I said before, well worth the 6 year wait.
Ron

Stucki

01-10-2017 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlim (Post 297482)

Here is the Swiss test firing machine. I wonder if it still exists.

The drawings survived, so if anyone feels like building one? ;)

Vlim, very intersting pictures - do you have the original pictures and do you have more information about this machine?

Have you found this in the Mauser Archives?

I'm afraid the machine has not survived - as I know it's not in the RUAG collection, may be in the former ammunition factory collection - I will check this.

Alexander

Stucki

01-19-2017 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlim (Post 297482)

Here is the Swiss test firing machine. I wonder if it still exists.

The drawings survived, so if anyone feels like building one? ;)

I talked to an old W+F employee and he remembered this machine. Unfortunately he has no Idee, where it is gone. His guess was, to Mauser in the 1960's oder 1970's.

Alexander

Vlim	01-19-2017 04:49 PM

They didn't want to sell it to Mauser because they still used it. That is why Mauser got the drawings and photos to construct their own version as required.

Michael Zeleny

01-23-2017 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlim (Post 297482)

Here is the Swiss test firing machine. I wonder if it still exists.

The drawings survived, so if anyone feels like building one? ;)

I recommend posting the drawings on this forum. I can think of a few members capable of reproducing this machine.

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