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willyboy 11-24-2012 10:21 PM

Wow, I'm overwhelmed with all of these responses! I disassembled and reassembled the gun tonight, but haven't cleaned, I ran out of time. I'll be cleaning it soon. I removed the grips and checked them. One of them is obviously wider and seemingly less worn, but it has the same serial number. I did not see a part on it that isn't matching, which surprised me. The magazine is not matching however. One problem I found, is I can't get it the toggle to snap down when the magazine is in. It will release when the mag is released, and then it will will click with the pull of the trigger as normal. Any idea why it might be doing this?

Thanks everyone.

hansfischer007 11-24-2012 11:33 PM

SS Crucifix.?
 
I picked up a couple of the same style Crucifix last year......and the Skull & Crossbones at the foot of the Cross......means "victory over death".....has nothing to do with the SS.......these are fairly common......

mrerick 11-25-2012 09:48 AM

Double check to make sure that the small link at the rear of the receiver has properly caught the recoil spring lever (that leads down into the grip area).

Generally follow the re-assembly instructions on this site. It's easy to miss hooking the recoil link properly.

Marc

c3006 11-25-2012 09:53 AM

A Dutch is still on my list,I hope your grandmother leaves it to you as so many times I see family members have no appreciation for items left to them.

mgvince 11-25-2012 12:33 PM

The bolt hold open, is activated by the follower of the empty magazine. Unless this pistol would not have a bolt hold open lock; it is normal for the bolt to lock open with empty mag in place.

sheepherder 11-25-2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltherguy (Post 123848)
The Skull and Crossbones is a reference to John's Gospel 18:19.

OK, this is way off-topic...But maybe one of you theological students can tell me what this particular passage has to do with the 'skull & crossbones'??? I tried looking it up in my bible...Either I have an old edition, or it is abridged...Or maybe I am just looking in the wrong place... :confused:

willyboy 11-25-2012 02:13 PM

Well, I believe that is the verse which explains golgotha, the hill where Jesus Christ was crucified. "Place of the Skull" or something like that. The crucifix skull thing is no issue here.

And yes, the s-hook is in place, I made sure of that when I reassembled the gun.

I am not sure if there is a hold open device that is activated when the magazine is empty.

sheepherder 11-25-2012 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willyboy (Post 223935)
Well, I believe that is the verse which explains golgotha, the hill where Jesus Christ was crucified...

I must have the Readers Digest version of the bible...That isn't what it says where I'm looking... :rolleyes:

apis mellifera 11-25-2012 02:27 PM

That's because the actual reference in John is at 19:17.

sheepherder 11-25-2012 02:45 PM

Thanks! :thumbup:

Someday I'll have to actually read this... :D

willyboy 12-12-2012 12:40 AM

I know this gun is definitely NOT a shooter, but if we don't plan on ever selling it, would it really hurt that much to shoot a few magazines every once in a while?

alanint 12-12-2012 05:30 AM

Totally up to the owner. As long as they understand that breaking a part will significantly lower the value and rob a future generation of one more complete, matching historical pistol.

Jack Lawman 12-12-2012 07:35 AM

Value
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by willyboy (Post 224861)
I know this gun is definitely NOT a shooter, but if we don't plan on ever selling it, would it really hurt that much to shoot a few magazines every once in a while?

In recent internet research on a luger, I came across an interesting quote from someone's father, "It aint worth anything unless you sell it."

I thought it an interesting perspective. It made me think. At the end of the day, whatever you own when you die is worthless (to you, anyway).

Jack

willyboy 12-13-2012 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willyboy (Post 223909)
Wow, I'm overwhelmed with all of these responses! I disassembled and reassembled the gun tonight, but haven't cleaned, I ran out of time. I'll be cleaning it soon. I removed the grips and checked them. One of them is obviously wider and seemingly less worn, but it has the same serial number. I did not see a part on it that isn't matching, which surprised me. The magazine is not matching however. One problem I found, is I can't get it the toggle to snap down when the magazine is in. It will release when the mag is released, and then it will will click with the pull of the trigger as normal. Any idea why it might be doing this?

Thanks everyone.

Well, I feel dumb. I couldn't get the toggle to **** when the mag is in, and I realized I was pressing down on the grip safety which kept me from being able to **** the gun. Pulling the toggle back feels pretty stiff and I was wondering if leaving the toggle locked back for a while would help loosen the spring.

Also, if you look really closely at the pictures I posted at the start of this thread, there's a small space just a millimeter or so wide between the toggle mechanism and where the barrel begins. I can clearly see into the chamber area through the space. Any idea what is causing this?

willyboy 12-15-2012 11:48 PM

Can anyone help me with this?

mrerick 12-15-2012 11:51 PM

I think you're describing the gap between the front of the breech block (where the extractor is located) and the rear of the chamber.

A very small gap may be normal. You may also have a problem with dirt under the extractor. Too large a gap may cause a headspace problem which can become rather dangerous. The rear of the cartridge base needs to be supported by the face of the breech block when the Luger is in battery.

Marc

willyboy 12-16-2012 01:04 PM

I have cleaned it thoroughly and don't think that dirt is an issue. Is there a possible mechanical/structural issue here?

DavidJayUden 12-16-2012 01:59 PM

My guess would be a re-assembly issue. Like the computer geeks refer to as an "I. D. ten T" error. Can you send us a few more photos of the problem areas and members can help out. Maybe the spring hooks are not getting picked up during reassembly?
dju

willyboy 12-16-2012 05:34 PM

I'll be sure to get a few new photos.

DavidJayUden 12-16-2012 08:31 PM

Also, when the gun is disassembled and the chamber is confirmed to be EMPTY, does the toggle close all the way? If you focus close enough you should be able to feel, hear or see what points are making contact and stopping forward travel. And by "disassembled" I mean with the upper slid off the lower.
dju


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