Referring to Ron Wood's excellent "Early frame tutorial" for comparison, I would have said this frame is a Type V. If that's the case then it could be from a (short frame) 1906 Commercial, with grip safety ?
Mark

Could be, if the serial number has been removed/replaced.

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Sent more pic. of inside of Luger, but I don't see them posted yet. Both the serial no# match on the upper receiver and the lower frame. I counted the coils on the recoil spring and it look 15- 16 coils. Have you guys given up or are you still trying to figure it out? Hope you guys had a great Xmas.

Tough to count springs in a picture- 15-16 sounds ok.

If you will post the picture of the inside "well" that I asked for, we can likely ID your frame. See my previous post for the picture to take.

1913 DWM Luger
 

Took more pic. of inside of pistol. Took pic of inside of pistol well where take down lever passes through. These pic. were sent to 4 Scales.

Here are the latest batch of photos including the frame well. I have done what I can to enhance, but these are very low resolution and there just isn't much to work with.

I can see markings in the well, but not good enough to ID.
Got to be closer and in focus, and with the lever in its closed position please, or removed.

Yes, the frame well needs to show detail equivalent to post #37.

1913 DWM frame well pic
 

Did you get the 2 pic of the inside of frame well that I sent today? Hope this was what you were looking for.

Here they are.

Pic of lower frame well
 

Were you able to see the marks in the frame well?

No,
too much reflection. The key is can you see an "N" or circled "N" in there, or some other markings that you can describe to us?

I think the major problem is low resolution. The photos you sent me were only 30K in size, which is very small and doesn't really let me enhance. I would encourage you to play with your smartphone or borrow a better camera and try to take bigger/sharper photos. This forum will allow us to post photos up to 195K size, which is over six times more data than were in your photos. All other things being equal, six times sharper/more detail.

Take it outside in the shade~

Will try to get better pic. of inside of well this week end outside if it is not raining. The marks in the well are C O 8 and the forth mark look like a arrow head.

Took 3 new pic. 2 of inside of frame well and 1 of barrel that shows the cross clearer.

4 Scale did you get the last 3 pic I sent you.

No photos received.

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Resent pic today.

Here's another.

Pictures are better, but they lack detail when enlarged to try to "see" what the upper center marking might be.
Need to take the picture with more "active" pixels- just not enough detail there.

Here is best I could do with data in the picture.

A nice photo has arrived!

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Grand daughter took pic with her fancy phone. I hope this is what you are looking far.

Bump - hoping someone will comment on the markings now that we finally have a good photo. Even if the comment is that the markings are unknown/mean nothing, that's helpful.

Yes, it is a good picture and the correct one!

The "odd" shape looks like an "arrowhead" but may be a "barred shield". Neither fits the observed characteristics of the frame.

I don't know what the frame is, but it is not a post 1914 DWM, for two reasons, it does not have an "N" or circled "N" in the well, and it has a grip safety.
The serial number of 356a, also is an enigma- which should be a military number.

I am mystified and bumfuzzled. :confused:

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Found 3 more stamps on pistol. 1 in rear of lower frame and 2 real small ones on upper receiver. Will try to send pic.

4 scales did you get the last 3 pic sent today?

Three more also of solid quality.

I believe we have established that the receiver is DWM.
It is the vintage of the frame that remains unknown, these last pictures don't help.

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How do you determine the vintage of the frame?

A few years back I saw a similar pistol on Simpson's site. It had a DWM military barrel extension with the date over the chamber, but a Swiss .30 caliber 4.75" barrel. It was a quality rework, very nice and offered for around $1,400. I remember the pistol well because I strong considered purchasing it. I forget who I spoke to at Simpson but they said they see a few like that from time to time, which they defined as Swiss re-works of Imperial militaries that were then sold into the Swiss commercial market post WWI. I found their explanation and the pistol both fascinating and sort of regret not getting it. Given Ron's comments at post #36, absent other information to the contrary I have to wonder if this may be another example of the type.

Determining frame vintage requires real expertise. If you compare Ron's post #36 in this thread to this tutorial on frames http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...Frame-Tutorial that will enlighten on some of the characteristics to consider.