THERE IS AN ADDITION FOR YOUR CATALOG:
Alphabet Commercial (previously known as 1920 Commercial) and
29 DWM (previously known as DWM/Mauser Sneak)

*serial number, with letter suffix: 4272 n

*proof marks, left receiver--crown over N, upright? Cc/U?: YES. Crown over N

*right receiver proofs? NO

*blank toggle?

*Caliber .30 or 9mm?: .30

*Export marked? Not Marked.
...GERMANY
...MADE IN GERMANY
...location of stamp
...not marked
*Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked? None
*Chamber marked?
...none
...date
...American Eagle stamp
*Finnish Suome Armijnen M-23
...S.A marked left receiver
...Tikka barrel 4-inch? 5-inch? 4-inch. 0.3
...9mm or .30?
...unit mark grip medallion?
*A.F. Stoeger inscription?
...2-line
...3-line
*Safe/Loaded? Yes
*Blank toggle? DWM toggle? DWM
*Eagle/WaA right receiver proof? No.
*Police characteristics
...sear safety
...magazine safety
...police unit mark
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics

Sorry: Add to Catalog: Serial number is 4772

I thought I had submitted my alphabet 4-digit commercial, but I don't see it in V4, so here it is...

*serial number, with letter suffix - 6782n
*proof marks, left receiver--crown over N, upright? - yes
*right receiver proofs? - no
*blank toggle? - DWM toggle
*Caliber .30 or 9mm? - 30 cal
*Export marked?
...GERMANY - yes
...location of stamp - left frame rail above takedown lever
*Chamber marked? - no
*Blank toggle? DWM toggle? - DWM
*Eagle/WaA right receiver proof? - no
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics - C/N [upright], 6782, n --> on bottom of barrel

1920, DWM, .30 Luger
3910m (bottom of barrel, front of frame)
10 (rear toggle link, locking bolt, trigger plate, trigger,
Upright c/n (bottom of barrel, left side of receiver)
Lazy c/n (left side of breech block)
MADE IN GERMANY on right side of frame (poor stamping)
GESICHERT (safety)

2 more.
 

The first:
*serial number, with letter suffix: 6439 o
*proof marks, left receiver--crown over N, upright
*right receiver proofs?. No
*blank toggle: No, DWM toggle
*Caliber .30 or 9mm?. 0.30
*Export marked? No
*Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked?: No
*Safe/Loaded?: I German
* DWM toggle
*Eagle/WaA right receiver proof: No
*Police characteristics: No
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics: Wood bottom magazine, 6439o and C/N in the bottom of the barrel.

The second:
*serial number, with letter suffix: 7529 u
*proof marks, left receiver: crown over N, upright
*right receiver proofs: No
*blank toggle?: No
*Caliber .30 or 9mm? 9mm
*Export marked: No
*Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked: No
*Chamber marked:No
*Safe/Loaded: In German
DWM toggle
*Eagle/WaA right receiver proof: No
*Police characteristics: No
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics: Wood bottom magazine without marks. 7529u with C/N in the bottom of the barrel
Josep M.

Alphabet Commercial
 

*8317i
*crown over N is upright
*right receiver blank
*toggle marked DWM
*.30
* MADE IN GERMANY on frame front of the grips
* no Krieghoff Suhl
* no chamber markings
* no Finnish
* no A.F. Stoeger
* GELADEN
* DWM toggle
* no Eagle
* no Police
* thumb safety safe in rear position marked GESICHERT

the data base is quite impressive

Alphabet Commercial
 

One last addition to 8317i - crown over N also on bottom of barrel under serial number.

Alphabet Commercial
 

I have yet another addition to add for the 8317i. Located another N under Crown, sideways, on the left side of the forward toggle link.

Jack

Alphabet Commercial
 

One final addition to the 8317i.

The first two digits of the serial number, 83, appear on the inside of the trigger plate.

Jack

*serial number, with letter suffix: 80019
*proof marks, left receiver: NONE, may have been sandblasted away.
*right receiver proofs: YES; not Crown/N.
*blank toggle?: NO
*Caliber .30 or 9mm?: 9mm; VOPO rebarreled.
*Export marked: No
*Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked: No
*Chamber marked:No
*Safe/Loaded: In German
*DWM toggle: YES
*Eagle/WaA right receiver proof: No?? Unclear due to sandblasting.
*Police characteristics: No???
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics: VOPO refinish. Most serial numbers matching; crossout restrikes on sear and safety blocking lever. VOPO barrel date code = 983; digit 3 above it. VOPO "bullseye" grips, "dip" rebluing.

uhhh, never heard of a vopo barrel date code, can I see pictures?


Ed

is it a 4 inch?

Then I bet it is 8,83 and that is the land to land measurement, and says that it was taken into service originally by the german army or police.

I could be wrong, but I'd need a picture to see that I was wrong :)


Ed

Hey, not a bad thing...and you get to shoot women's roller derby. Sounds like you come out ahead! :burnout:

1906 (New Model):
*serial number = 38115
*variation = AE
*proof marks, left receiver = None
*Caliber = 9mm
*Thumb safety stamped GESICHERT or polished = Polished
*Extractor stamped GELADEN or LOADED = LOADED
*Stamped GERMANY or not = GERMANY under serial
*long frame or short = SHORT
*thumb safety area stamped GESICHERT or SAFE = UNMARKED
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics = DWM toggle - Wood base mag, NOT marked 9mm - condition over 95%

HTH,

John

Alphabet commercial s/n 1321n
c/N upright on underside of barrel, left frame and lazy c/N front toggle link
DWM on toggle
Export mark: "Germany" on frame below barrel
Safe/Gesichert
30 cal.

serial number, with letter suffix: 6421 i
*proof marks, left receiver & Barrel--crown over N, upright
*right receiver proofs?. No
*blank toggle: No, DWM toggle
*Caliber .30 or 9mm?. 0.30
*Export marked? Germany On Barrel
*Krieghoff Suhl back-frame marked?: No
*Safe/Loaded?: Gesichert/Geladen
* DWM toggle
*Eagle/WaA right receiver proof: No
*Police characteristics: No
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics: S3 on Rear frame & Rt. upper

Hi Dwight, I assume you are still collecting data on Commercial Luger's, if so here is the information on my 1906 AE:

Serial Number: 54777
Proof: Crown over lazy N (on side)
Caliber: .30
Thumb Safety: Polished
Extractor: LOADED
Stamped: GERMANY
Frame: Short
Thumb Safety Area: Not Stamped

DWM
Serial Number 13225
Model 1900
Commercial
DWM scroll on toggle
No proof marks
Wide grip safety
Type 3 safety - raised with fluted end
Type R take down lever - marked on round end
Early type front sight
No other markings or characteristics


Caliber 7.65 Para
About 80% blue with some strawing still present, bluing mostly gone with patina on front and rear grip straps. Worn dirty grips with no markings, left grip chipped around safety lever with small bit missing.

Didn't see this 1900 AE in your database; I acquired it this last Summer [2012]...

Serial - 13246
Model - AE
Proof - no
Swiss + - no
Grip Safety - W
Safety - 3
Takedown # - B
Export mark - Germany
Caliber - 30
Notes - 5, 6 on inside R grip; X, O inside L grip - both grips worn & oil soaked, may be original or period; finish worn/dulled to gray; numbers matching; mag base replaced; bore poor

1906 (New Model):

*serial number 29248

*variation
...AE (American Eagle on chamber)

...c/BUG proofs on barrel

*proof marks, left receiver
...no proof marks

*Caliber .30

*Thumb safety polished

*Extractor stamped LOADED

*Stamped GERMANY

*long frame

* additional noteworthy characteristics?
"172,28" stamped on bbl above serial number, but below c/BUG proofs
bottom of rear grip strap tapped with small hole, presumably for some sort of rear stock to be attached
broken/badly repaired grip safety bar
Numbers match including grips but not mag
Suspected early re-blue. but top of toggle axle retaining pin in the white

Since we are adding lugers to the list heres my 1900 AE

SN - 8372
Model - AE
Proof Marks - None
Swiss + - No
Thumb Safety type - Type 2
Grip Safety - narrow
Takedown number location - Bottom
Export mark - Germany on front of trigger guard
Caliber - .30

Additional notes:
*Barrel possibly been replaced (No serail number or markings)
*Rear sight on rear toggle link has been changed out and a peep sight added.
*Gun has been possibly re-blued at some point along the way
*All numbers match (except the replaced barrel)
Grips match to the gun with the SN "72" stamped on the inside
*Magazine has a wood base with "Germany" stamped on the bottom
*Scalloped toggle knobs

some data
 

hi Dwight,

I am writing you from Argentina,South America.

I own a commercial DWM Luger 9 mm ,in my understanding 1906

here you are the data for your database

*Serial number
27931

*Variation
Commercial (blank chamber)

*proof marks, left receiver and barrel
Crowns on receiver
B over left side
U over right side
No mark on barrel

*grip safety
Wide W (extends full width of grip strap)
Not matching

*Thumb safety type
Type 3, curved grooved

*Where is the takedown lever numbered?
Bottom edge B

*Stamped GERMANY or not?
NOT

*Any additional noteworthy characteristics
Gesichert/Geladen
Takedown type III according your standard
original matching barrel 4 ", I keep it but now is fitted with a 6" one

Later I will add pics, lost my camera.

best regards,

Hernan

PS: it shoots the hell of good!

no access database
 

dwight,when tryng to access the database it says link no valid,could you do something,

thanks,

hernan

Good Evening,

I'm new to this forum, and I brought home my first Luger today. The purchase was completely coincidental - I found this gun in a Pawn Shop and purchased it right away after doing my home work. Here is what I got:

DWM Commercial - 1908 (number block puts it in 1907?)

*serial number: 45269
*proof marks on left receiver: crown over B, U - barrel is marked crown over B, U, G
*Stamped GERMANY: No
*Recoil spring well spur or straight: Not sure what that means - field stripped it today but not sure
*c/X c/X c/X military proofs: No Military Proofs
*Any additional noteworthy characteristics:
(1) All matching serial numbers (excluding grips); Mag serial # on wood base is 630 a
(2) No stock lug, no hold-open
(3) Gun has aged well - I can take pictures if neede

Any Info?
 

I bought this DWM luger a while back and was told it was a 9mm. 9mm luger rounds did not fit, I believe I have a 7.65 parabellum (.30 luger). all parts match with the last 2 numbers of the 4 digit serial stamped on them.
On the bottom of the 3 AND 5/8 barrel I can see a crown over top of a N, under that is the serial number and directly under that is a cursive N.
All parts match, the bottom half of the weapon was previously re-blued, but looks to be done only to certain areas that were previously corroded. top half of weapon is original.
I have crappy pictures but will get better ones if needed.
Any insight would be appreciated. Thank you

I do not know if this post could be useful to you or not, in case it isn't , don't even bother answering, but I only wanted to report that in my collection I've got three 1900 "commercial":


DWM AMERICAN EAGLE 1900 s/n 7234 (no GERMANY export mark) - cal. 7,65 Para
DWM AMERICAN EAGLE 1900 s/n 14124 (with GERMANY export mark) - cal 7,65 Para
DWM 1900 s/n 763 - (Swiss Cross in Sunburst) cal 7,65 Para


Sergio

Sergio,

Does the Swiss gun have commercial proofs (c/BUG) or Swiss Military proofs?

--Dwight

Hi Dwight

Absolutely commercial proofs, it's a 1st Series, and first Variation (frame made for the low button magazine, and low button magazine).

Sergio

Sergio,
I believe that is the highest serial number that I can remember that still has an unrelieved frame. That is a very scarce variation and I would very much like to see some photos! Swiss Commercial Lugers are much less common than military pieces and one that early and still unmodified is a treasure.

Hi Ron,
Actually I was "over enthusiastic" and had already posted several photos in my album, then I realized that many Moderators didn't have many photos of Lugers in their "albums" and I confess I felt a bit ridiculous so I deleted mine.
Anyway I enclose a couple of snaps, I'll take a few more if necessary; this is one of my best Lugers, the only problem is the magazine that although it has got a low button, it's a "military" one.
Regards

Sergio

Sorry I posted one wrong photo (of my "dutch")
Here you are the other side of the 1900 Swiss Commmercial Cross in the Sunburst.

That is a beautiful gun! I wish I had known you sooner. I sold a Commercial flat button magazine last year. My Swiss #109 is military so I didn't need the magazine. Sorry

Yes, it is a shame, it's quite difficult to find a flat button commercial magazine, and they are quite expensive.

I just downloded your data base and noticed I have a few numbers not on it, including a couple old type frames. If you would like them please PM me your USPS address and I'll mail them to you. I also have a lot of old hard copy lists from World of Luger and Simpson, though I notice your key says dealers lists have been included.

Gary

1906
American Eagle
s/n 36040
7,65
no proofs
short frame
loaded
blank safety
Germany

Picked this one up at a garage sale. $50

http://s6.photobucket.com/user/horse...ml?sort=6&o=23

Here is DWM just got only has a serial number and marked DWM any idea what it is or value ser no 6055 also has an old western style holster cleaning rods 9mm and stock
Horse gunner