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cirelaw 06-15-2021 11:31 AM

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Not!

cirelaw 06-15-2021 11:42 AM

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ATF Correct!

cirelaw 06-15-2021 01:26 PM

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Can a stock be original and legal although not matched to the gun? #3231t

schutzen-jager 06-15-2021 01:55 PM

nothing that i know of in ATF regulations mentions serial numbers , only originality of type -

cirelaw 06-15-2021 02:38 PM

I wonder if ATF takes it too liberal! Here one that is not original so not legal to attach and use// No Disclaimer~ https://www.ebay.com/itm/38419017212...wAAOSwDhhgt9ae This is like a Law School Question!!!

schutzen-jager 06-15-2021 04:16 PM

IIRC responsibility will fall on final owner + if he or she has a short barrel luger with an unground stock lug - also i have been told by judges + prosecutors that it is far easier to convict an honest citizen committing a crime by mistake then a criminal deliberately breaking to law on purpose - ignorance of law is not a valid excuse in court -

cirelaw 06-15-2021 05:08 PM

Well Put!! Laws are not laws unless enforced!

m1903a3 06-16-2021 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw (Post 339598)
I wonder if ATF takes it too liberal! Here one that is not original so not legal to attach and use// No Disclaimer~ https://www.ebay.com/itm/38419017212...wAAOSwDhhgt9ae This is like a Law School Question!!!

If I recall correctly, CMR obtained a letter from the ATF that allows their replica stocks to be used IAW the same rules as an original. e.g. A Navy replica stock only on a P.04.

cirelaw 06-16-2021 06:43 PM

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I agree!! I Think The problem is use not ownership! Which makes no sense! But the Use and attachment:// CMR has been selling the for years!! Doesn't sell the iron attachment seen below which is needed to connect luger and stock~ https://www.cmrfirearms.com/pistols-...b02-p-858.html

cirelaw 06-16-2021 09:23 PM

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Lugermans' looks correct https://lugerman.com/product/luger-carbine-1902-stock/

schutzen-jager 06-17-2021 09:26 AM

FWIW older reference
 
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Bill_in_VA 06-17-2021 10:51 AM

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This is grossly out of date, and thus incorrect. See Section III of the current C&R list.

https://www.atf.gov/file/128116/download

Heinz 06-17-2021 10:58 AM

Schutzen, thanks for posting. That older reference has been superseded by the current listings I posted above. However, ATF is a Federal bureaucracy loved by the elite left and the C&R list is a regulatory exemption from the "Short rifle" proscription of the National Firearms Act. They can change their definitions almost at their whim.

m1903a3 06-17-2021 01:43 PM

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Source and date??

schutzen-jager 06-17-2021 02:33 PM

file on my computer - IIRC ATF pamphlet from 1986 ? - like i stated an older reference -

cirelaw 06-17-2021 02:39 PM

Joe Salter insists that an original artillery stock can be used on a carbine luger???The Stock has to be the same size and material!

schutzen-jager 06-17-2021 05:40 PM

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Joe Salter insists that an original artillery stock can be used on a carbine luger???The Stock has to be the same size and material!

jmho

only if accompanied with a valid ATF approval letter -

cirelaw 06-17-2021 06:41 PM

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Thats what I thought!!!!!!!TKS Its neither the attachable stock is the same size and no letter from ATF allowing an artillery stock replace a carbine stock~ NOT!!

JTD 06-18-2021 09:09 AM

Beat the old horse to death AGAIN.....

cirelaw 06-18-2021 12:01 PM

Over! Refuses to consider the truth~ Thank You All For Your Patience~ Eric


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