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Edward Tinker 03-11-2021 03:33 PM

There are exact replica carbine stocks on ebay, not as nice as an original, but decent - I bought one from a friend that was cleaned up by Jim S here on the forum

ithacaartist 03-11-2021 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Val7711 (Post 337499)
What I dont understand is what is the difference between 1920 Luger Carbines and Martz Luger Carbine?

Barrel length. In order not to create a SBR, Martz's barrels on projects that would be used with a stock were at least 16", presumably so they would be more universally marketable.

It's possible, of course, if you live in a state that allows, to do the federal paperwork, background check, and $200 payment for the tax involved to legally own an SBR. Original Carbines have been exempted from this rule, like an original Artillery or Navy.

Val7711 03-11-2021 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist (Post 337535)
Barrel length. In order not to create a SBR, Martz's barrels on projects that would be used with a stock were at least 16", presumably so they would be more universally marketable.

It's possible, of course, if you live in a state that allows, to do the federal paperwork, background check, and $200 payment for the tax involved to legally own an SBR. Original Carbines have been exempted from this rule, like an original Artillery or Navy.

Thank You. Ok. Mine measures 16 inches. So its not a German made model of 1920 and not marked anywhere as a John Martz gun. I take it apart and see if I can find anything that can show who made it. My understanding is that Martz guns were all marked.

cirelaw 03-11-2021 07:19 PM

It greatly increases the value of the gun!

Neil Young 03-11-2021 07:28 PM

Val7711, that is indeed a fine looking piece. Check out the leather carrying case that Jerry Burney makes for these Luger carbines. They are absolutely beautiful and would make a great addition to your unit. BTW, I don't work for Jerry.

cirelaw 03-11-2021 07:42 PM

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Jerrys' Weimar Carbine Case~Beautiful!!!!Handmade!!!

Val7711 03-11-2021 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil Young (Post 337542)
Val7711, that is indeed a fine looking piece. Check out the leather carrying case that Jerry Burney makes for these Luger carbines. They are absolutely beautiful and would make a great addition to your unit. BTW, I don't work for Jerry.

I definitely check it out it does look like a beautiful case. I will fist like to find out , who put this gun together . Since its probably not a true 1920 model. Then get a proper stock for it. But a case will definitely be nice to have too.

Edward Tinker 03-11-2021 11:48 PM

I know you'd like it to be a Martz gun, but if marked, he marked 'most' of them. I had a 4 inch bull barrel that when I bought it, they said, I think its a Martz. On the forum, everyone said, no, I don't think so.

Yours looks almost exactly like the one Eugene G (Lugerman) made for me.

Ed

Val7711 03-11-2021 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker (Post 337556)
I know you'd like it to be a Martz gun, but if marked, he marked 'most' of them. I had a 4 inch bull barrel that when I bought it, they said, I think its a Martz. On the forum, everyone said, no, I don't think so.

Yours looks almost exactly like the one Eugene G (Lugerman) made for me.

Ed

I completely disassembled it. Its DEFINITELY not Martz. Its a 1916 all matching that someone turned into a 16 inch barrel carbine . I will get a well made stock for it and enjoy it for what it is or sell it. At this point , who made it is only a guess. :)

Edward Tinker 03-12-2021 12:17 AM

Its a nice looking carbine, I would not toss it out of the bed :)

It just depends on what you like or want. I look at my records I keep of guns I've sold and I say, what, I have owned 3 Test Lugers? I owned that many 1911's! Why'd I sell them!

Ed

spangy 03-12-2021 12:15 PM

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Oddly enough Val7711 a stock just came up @ GunBroker for $495.00

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/894716310

It's not original and the fittings I find could be tighter but you may be able to score it cheaper for that reason.
Re-fitting the hardware is relatively easy IMO.

Val7711 03-12-2021 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by spangy (Post 337564)
Oddly enough Val7711 a stock just came up @ GunBroker for $495.00

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/894716310

It's not original and the fittings I find could be tighter but you may be able to score it cheaper for that reason.

It looks like it may work. If I decide to keep the carbine, I will try to search for original stock ( will be tough not even knowing who build the gun) or have a nice one made for it

cirelaw 03-12-2021 01:21 PM

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The hard part is the fitting. A gunsmith can do a custom fit adjustment~ I would definitly go for the stock! It triples the value of your gun!

Val7711 03-12-2021 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw (Post 337567)
The hard part is the fitting. A gunsmith can do a custom fit adjustment~ I would definitly go for the stock! It triples the value of your gun!

I look at it again. Speaking of value , I dont even know what the gun is .... LOL.. But stock would definitely be nice to have.

cirelaw 03-12-2021 03:30 PM

You may be unsure of the maker, but it is a nice Luger Carbine!!!!

rhuff 03-12-2021 03:33 PM

You could send good photos and the serial numbers to Lugerman and ask him if he made it......just a thought.

cirelaw 03-12-2021 04:45 PM

Mine is#"3231t"

Val7711 03-13-2021 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw (Post 337578)
Mine is#"3231t"

Where are serial numbers usually found on those carbines ?

cirelaw 03-13-2021 10:07 PM

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Sometime inside under the tang inside, looks like a tuning fork!

Val7711 03-13-2021 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw (Post 337595)
Sometime inside under the tang inside, looks like a tuning fork!

I see. Thank You. Does 4 digit serial number makes sense for a 1916 Luger?


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