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wayne8661 09-02-2016 11:10 AM

I will look at mine when I get home today. You want the info on 1911-1918 dated pistols only?

Vlim 09-02-2016 11:19 AM

Just went through a few drawers:

DWM 2 digits on the inside bottom of the side plate: confirmed.
Mauser 2 digits on inside, some with 2 first numbers of serial, others with one higher, as reported.
Mauser 3-digit serial number: Only one digit on the inside (150b has a lone 1 on the inside).

Some oddball pistols with different lay-outs, including late war assemblies and a Portuguese contract.

Edward Tinker 09-02-2016 11:59 AM

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Here are three DWM sideplates. One is a 67 - it is a orphan sideplate

The other two come from guns that are both police, but appear to be original sideplates.

1st one is the 67 - front is last two of 78

2nd one interior # is 7 - which came off my matching 724 -exterior is 24

3rd one interior # is 32 - which comes off an original sn of 3242 - exterior is 42
(which comes off of an interesting one, one of those with the #8 in the front of the original 4 digits. So its sn now is 83242)

DonVoigt 09-02-2016 01:18 PM

Thanks Guys, much appreciated.

Wayne,
we were looking at military which would be all dated 1911-18, except for the few 1920/21.

But please do look at any and all you wish and report.

Any information is better than none.

Thanks again.

Tom and Mark,
would be great to hear from you on side plate numbers you may have.

wayne8661 09-02-2016 01:40 PM

ok here are mine'

1917 DWM Artillery SN 7227 inside of side plate 72
1912 DWM SN 7954 inside of side plate SMALL 8
1912 DWM SN 5275 inside of side plate 2 on lower edge and 5 on flate part of plate near retaining pin
1910 DWM SN 2557c Inside of side plate 5 on lower edge and 5 on flat part of plate near retaining pin
1910 DWM SN 1344d Mark that looks like a 3 but could be machine marks no numbers visible
1918 Erfurt SN 5031 On long prt of ear that takedown lever locks over is a 12 and the erfurt proof on trigger lever.

DonVoigt 09-02-2016 02:42 PM

Thanks Wayne,
Looks like DWM was "deciding" how to do the numbers in in 1910-12.

Could you post a picture of 5275 and/or 2557c?

wayne8661 09-02-2016 02:51 PM

I will be glad to post pictures but I will have to wait until Monday I'm on my way to the shore

rhuff 09-02-2016 04:17 PM

I just checked two of my alphabet DWM Lugers, and both of them have the first two numbers stamped inside the sideplate. One is an early "i"(1921) and the other a "k" suffix(1923-24).

mrerick 09-02-2016 06:31 PM

I'll be glad to check some when I can access them again.

kurusu 09-02-2016 06:34 PM

Went look at my 1915 DWM:

Got confused as ever.

Only number inside the plate is a 2 on the lower edge, placed in a fore and aft disposition instead of athwart ship as the others shown.

# 7293 no suffix.

Marked 93 outside. Everything matching except for the rear toggle pin and magazine (came with a synthetic bottom Fxo)

Doubt it to have been boosted. It already has an unnumbered rear toggle pin and the finish even though original, has been over aggressively treated, presumably to eliminate surface rust, to the point of having the proof marks barely visible and a very shallow date over the chamber.

It's not one of my shooters. Not because of its collector value but because of its age.

DonVoigt 09-02-2016 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurusu (Post 293144)
Went look at my 1915 DWM:

Got confused as ever.

Only number inside the plate is a 2 on the lower edge, placed fore and aft instead of athwart ship as the others shown.

# 7293 no suffix.

Marked 93 outside. Everything matching except for the rear toggle pin and magazine (came with a synthetic bottom Fxo)

Doubt it to have been boosted. It already has an unnumbered rear toggle pin and the finish even though original, has been over aggressively treated, presumably to eliminate surface rust, to the point of having the proof marks barely visible and a very shallow date over the chamber.

It's not one of my shooters. Not because of its collector value but because of its age.

Interesting "nautical" description!:)

At least the "2" on the inside makes sense with the serial number.

With just the "2", the last two digits would not repeat for 1000 numbers; probably more than enough to return the correct plate to its pistol.:confused:

Thanks for looking.

kurusu 09-02-2016 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt (Post 293146)
Interesting "nautical" description!:)

Best I could manage.:o

Edward Tinker 09-02-2016 06:46 PM

A 1915 DWM would have an unnumbered rear toggle pin :) They did not require it until 1934 (?) or close to that date - a numbered pin prior to the early 1930's means it was added - could be armorer, armory or the factory, or someone who thought it would correct an issue...

kurusu 09-02-2016 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker (Post 293148)
A 1915 DWM would have an unnumbered rear toggle pin :) They did not require it until 1934 (?) or close to that date - a numbered pin prior to the early 1930's means it was added - could be armorer, armory or the factory, or someone who thought it would correct an issue...

Well! That's good news. :cheers:

kurusu 09-02-2016 07:41 PM

Might as well add the 2 Mauser shooters:

1938 S/42 - The two first digits of the serial number inside the two last outside.

41 BYF - Same as above.

Mac Cat 09-02-2016 09:40 PM

Swiss Alphabet (1921) S/N 2049 i, has a "20" in the same size font at the bottom where the trigger pin cut out is found. It also has tiny "1" in the middle of the plate, but sideways and of course, nothing on the outside.

1917 DMW LP08 = S/N 803 c, has an "8" in the Trigger Pin cutout, just like my Swiss, and it also had a "1" sideways in the middle of the plate. The outside has the "03" you would expect.

"byf" 42, S/N 2011 l, has a "27" inside and the "11" outside.

spacecoast 09-03-2016 07:28 AM

My 1918/1920 DWM, #7500b, has a 74 stamped on the flat inside the side plate.

DonVoigt 09-03-2016 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacecoast (Post 293154)
My 1918/1920 DWM, #7500b, has a 74 stamped on the flat inside the side plate.

Well, that is interesting for sure!

Factory error or incorrectly restored or changed/re-numbered in 1920????

More potential questions than answers in that one.:confused:
But at least there IS a number stamped inside!

Thanks for posting.

George Anderson 09-03-2016 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacecoast (Post 293154)
My 1918/1920 DWM, #7500b, has a 74 stamped on the flat inside the side plate.

Sounds like one that was boosted by a person using the Mauser protocol.

Edward Tinker 09-03-2016 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Anderson (Post 293159)
Sounds like one that was boosted by a person using the Mauser protocol.

Many times I think it is lack of knowledge. I read on facebook or another forum where someone quotes an old book or a poorly written book on 'well-known' facts that are outdated theories.

Such as the interior numbers on a sideplate, I have heard folks say it was on all lugers. Until recently I did not know that DWM marked theirs.

The 1920 marking - some guy said that it was to show arsenal rebuild and that they were okay for sale commercially-had never heard that one before.


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