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hayhugh 01-19-2016 12:54 PM

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The presence of the "hump" is actually the result of an additional milling procedure which removed metal below the area of the rear toggle hinge.
To what purpose was this machining done? Surely not to save whatever weight might be accomplished.
So it must have been structural strength?

guns3545 01-19-2016 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hayhugh (Post 283222)
To what purpose was this machining done? Surely not to save whatever weight might be accomplished.
So it must have been structural strength?

No, it had to do with keeping the rear axle pin in place. At full recoil it was exposed and could displace thus jamming the toggle train.

See the link in post 19 for details. They were responding to a Reichsministarium order dated 6/16/1930

John

abukafura 01-20-2016 11:58 AM

Thanks for your post, ED.....and the highliting of it. Couldn't agree more. Let's keep the info on the Forum for all of us.

Motown 01-25-2016 10:33 PM

OK,lots of info here. I have two parts unnumbered - what does that do to value? Estimated value?

On the holster - interesting comment on the stick eagle; does that make it a fake...?

Motown 01-25-2016 10:56 PM

OK,lots of info here. I have two parts unnumbered - what does that do to value? Estimated value?

On the holster - interesting comment on the stick eagle; does that make it a fake...?

DavidJayUden 01-25-2016 11:59 PM

On the gun, 2 mismatched parts hurts. A mismatched side plate is the biggest problem. Now on DWM's you could probably find a correct numbered sideplate and install it; not as original but to give the appearance as matching. The later Mausers actually had a partial number, but 1# off, on the inside, so coincidental replacement is practically impossible. But I don't know if that is true on the K date guns. As per value, that is a rare year so a mismatched sideplate doesn't hurt it quite so bad, maybe $200-$400, but that is a WAG.
K date guys can help you far more on this one, as can the holster guys.
Nice gun, regardless.
dju

lugerholsterrepair 01-26-2016 12:14 AM

Leon, and the holster has a stick wing eagle proof which came after the 1934 date. As Bob indicates..this is true but it also has the correct WaA94 downswept Eagle that IS correct for 1934. The stick wing eagle M beneath it WAS applied later by the Nazi Navy when the holster was put into Navy inventory/service. I am no expert on Nazi Navy holster markings but the placement and the look of this one looks good to me. I only saw the one photo so cannot comment further about your holster. IF it's all as it should be and it looks like it..the holster is a valuable one.

spartacus38 01-26-2016 01:26 AM

Motown;
Assuming everything else is correct with your K date,I would estimate its value to be $1500.
Bob

Motown 01-26-2016 11:32 AM

Great, very much appreciated. If it would help, I can post more pictures of the holster - also, always looking for 'stuff' to go with the gun and holster - take down tool & or a cleaning rod (both of which have slots inside the flap of the holster). Any recommendations to store and maintain the holster - the only part that seems to be dryer than the rest is the takedown tool 'holder' inside. the leather has shrunk around the stud there.

Motown 01-26-2016 11:33 AM

Any harm in shooting the pistol? All matching obviously makes it far more valuable than 1500 - and a risk of breaking an extractor a far more costly thing...?

DonVoigt 01-26-2016 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Motown (Post 283474)
Any harm in shooting the pistol? All matching obviously makes it far more valuable than 1500 - and a risk of breaking an extractor a far more costly thing...?

You have two mismatched parts already, a third won't do any more harm, JMHO.

I'd shoot it.:thumbup:

IF you are really stressed, change out the matching extractor for
a replacement and fire away.

Store your holster inside in a climate controlled environment.
Some leather conditioner like Black Rock would be good, on the outside, finished part of the leather only. Be aware everyone will have their own opinion on what to do to leather or not.:eek:

spartacus38 01-26-2016 02:57 PM

Since the extractor doesn't match you don't have to change it.
Suggest you use Winchester 115 gr FMJ in white box.
Bob

Sergio Natali 01-27-2016 03:27 AM

I agree with Don, since you already have a shooter then shoot it; just stay away from heavy loads.

Have fun and shoot safe!


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