Datig & Walter extracts below.

It is interesting that the 'baby' Luger is not the same as the 'pocket' Luger. The 'pocket' Luger is the one with the short barrel and short gripframe/magazine; the 'baby' is quite different in construction, although it also has a shorter barrel & gripframe.

The "pocket" Lugers you refer to are actually custom alterations of full size Lugers. The grip frame was cut, a section removed and a welded/silver soldered back together. A shorter barrel was installed. One such custom piece was the personal property of Georg Luger himself.

The late John Martz used that concept to create his custom "baby" Lugers. I have finally acquired one of his masterpieces and I am particularly pleased that it was fabricated from a Model 1900 American Eagle...one of my favorites.

That's actually Fred Datig's designation - see below. ;)

Mike Krause made recreations of the "Baby" [in 32ACP!], as shown on Bob Adams web site (and pic below) -

http://www.adamsguns.com/luger45.htm

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1437667047
LOVE those grips!

Zorba

I agree lovely grips, wooden grips are aestetically the most beautiful; as for the rest I'm a bit of a purist, some sort of "Luger Integralist"... I wouldn't really share all this appreciation about recent custom alterations... :nono:



Sergio

Mike Krause guns~ http://www.adamsguns.com/luger45.htm

That Luger is just awesome!! I can't imagine having that piece in my safe.

Since acquiring the Martz gun I have been inspired to finish the "baby" I started to create about 30 years ago and never got around to finishing it. I like the grips on mine too! :evilgrin:

Ummm...Where's the barrel??? :confused:

I believe I mentioned I haven't gotten around to finishing it :). Finding a long thread barrel (for the long receiver) has proven to be difficult, but I have one now.
By the way, thanks for the thread chaser...I haven't gotten around to using it either! :)

Ted gave me permission to post this picture in Ralphs' home many years ago!.

Sergio,
I agree that altering a collectible Luger is not an acceptable practice. But both the Martz gun and the one I have been working on are an accumulation of mis-matched and damaged parts that are assembled into a functioning custom gun. No history is being lost, it is just being recycled in a different format.:cheers:

Good For You you both!

A 'member' :rolleyes: at ARFCOM did a 'pocket' Luger back in 2004 for a raffle at American Handgunner. The thread is archived, but the pics are still online -

Thor340 [Member] 2/23/2004 6:59:51 AM EDT

This Luger will be raffled off next year in the American Handgunner. I finished it in the white and have sent it to Brian Powley engravers for a full engraving treatment. I have petitioned him to do it in a German Oak Leaf and Acorn pattern and I sure hope he will. I will rust blue it after he is done with the engraving. The gun was made from a shooter Luger by Neil Keller at Kustom Ballistics. Here are the websites and pictures. The barrel is 2 & 5/8" and in 9mm Luger (Para.)

http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman...ugerD2EXIF.jpg
http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman...ugerD1EXIF.jpg
www.powleyengraving.com/
www.kustom-ballistics.com/

It may be on his site as well, I haven't checked it out in quite some time...

Ted's Luger Strawing Service
http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/

Getting back to Yoda's original post, I would really like to see the requested photos. The gun is a puzzle and will not be resolved without some visual images...perhaps not even then, but without some graphic information we are without any clue.

If this maybe assistance. Many years ago before his death I sent John a copy of this book~ He died shortly there after~ The carbine on the back cover is his! I don't mean to trespass but I feel its relevant to the discussion~~sorry~~Eric

Eric,
What does that have to do with this topic?

I removed the thread about the war. That was misplaced! As john Martz was being discussed I posted what I had of him~ Ron. Thank you for looking out for me~~~~~

I have been tied up lately and have not been able to get a hold of my gunsmith. Your question is way above my gun knowledge. I will eventually get you an answer and some photos. Sorry for the delay.

Ron


Aaaaaall right then I forgive you!

:cheers: Sergio