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sheepherder 09-21-2014 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist (Post 260527)
This one is by far the most realistic looking, but I think this helps tip the scale to the B.S. side...

Agreed. Probably took a lot of effort to assemble all those 'historic' pics. Someone at PIA has a lot of time with nothing else to do. :)

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood (Post 260511)
Of that I have no doubt.

I could use a good picture of crossed Mosin-Nagant rifles, if you have one. ;)

Ben M. 09-21-2014 01:09 PM

phony holster. not surprise.

Maestro 09-21-2014 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kzullick (Post 260525)
??????????

Ron could be referring to Cartman on South Park! :roflmao:

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"Cartman Gets an Anal Probe" is the first episode of the animated television series South Park. It first aired on Comedy Central in the United States on August 13, 1997. The episode introduces child protagonists Eric Cartman, Kyle Broflovski, Stan Marsh and Kenny McCormick, who attempt to rescue Kyle's younger brother Ike from being abducted by aliens.
http://southpark.cc.com/full-episode...-an-anal-probe

Maestro 09-21-2014 02:47 PM

on a serious note though, PIA does state
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The Death's Head (Totenkopf) is very rarely seen displayed in this manner and it was passed down two generations as taken from a guard by a member of the the U.S. Seventh Army's 45th Infantry Division on April 29th, 1945 upon the liberation of the Dachau concentration camp.
if there is provenance that this Luger was period etched (e.g. letter from USGI's family, etc), would it not have collector value as well?

Maestro 09-21-2014 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben M. (Post 260531)
phony holster. not surprise.

here's a typical concentration camp holster!

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the TK is a "property mark", and not directly connected with the SS-TK Verbande. The originality of the actual stamp is undoubtably a fact, as it is shown in a picture from Bundesarchiv Koblenz. Shown on page 147 in "The P08 Luger Pistol" in the propaganda series. But of course, there will always be the opportunity for the fakers to add on, so most of the ones found today will probably be fakes.

Maestro 09-21-2014 04:17 PM

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off topic, but for TK purposes, here's a machine pistole mag pouch with same TK marking

Maestro 09-21-2014 04:32 PM

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close up of the TK (here's one for you Dave!)

Maestro 09-21-2014 04:35 PM

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comparison of holster TKs and period picture from the above mentioned reference book

alanint 09-21-2014 05:52 PM

More foder for future Luger archeologists!

SIGP2101 09-21-2014 07:05 PM

Cracked slide??

Patronen 09-21-2014 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill_in_VA (Post 260517)
I got my Totenkopf Luger from Elvis, but a UFO abducted it from me.

Now why would they do that when they have their own already?

MikeP 09-23-2014 09:11 PM

A letter of provenance, even from the vet, is just a letter.

Proves nothing.

Spend some time around vets and you will get the picture.

Lots of stories improve with age.

Ben M. 09-23-2014 10:56 PM

way on the bottom of the sellers web page is a paper drawing of the art-work. nice to see they did it on paper before on the metal.

siegersallee 09-25-2014 07:11 AM

For anyone having trouble viewing this luger, this is a direct link to it:
PIA Luger.

A much more knowledgeable collector than myself warned me away from that site years ago.
He said: "...that guy has manufactured more lugers than Erfurt."

Whatever you do, don't look it in the eyes...

Douglas Jr. 09-25-2014 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood (Post 260521)
Be thankful you were spared the anal probe.:cheers:

PIA guys might be not so gentle....

John Sabato 09-25-2014 12:03 PM

If you want to get the URL for a Luger displayed on the PIA website, right click on the link and "open in a new window"... the actual URL will be displayed in the address box on the new window...

hansfischer007 09-25-2014 11:35 PM

..PIA and Commercial Lugers
 
.A couple of weeks back....got "the fever" to pick up a 1920s Era Commercial Luger....maybe in 7.65 Caliber......and called PIA.and had a long talk with one of the Reps......in our conversation he informed me that...."we don't buy Commercial Lugers...to us they are nothing better than door stops or paper weights ".....kind of shocked me to hear that attitude....so I asked about 1921 dated Military or Police....said they had none in stock.....then next day one was advertised on their site.......couple hours later sold.......I called up and asked what the selling price was........$2850.00....So I have just kinda taken them off my list of Dealers.....Anyway....just thought I would pass along this kinda strange conversation........Danke.......Hans Fischer

alanint 09-26-2014 07:52 AM

Interesting as well iis that there is finish wear directly on the skull itself, while the balance of the pistol is almost mint. It would seem that somebody tried to polish down the ridges of a recent engraving and did not want to cold blue the area afterwards.

The wear actually enhances the skull and looks completely out of place versus the balance of the gun.

sheepherder 09-26-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeP (Post 260693)
A letter of provenance, even from the vet, is just a letter.

Proves nothing.

The same is true for pictures. I looked at the Philly Ordnance site some time ago and noticed some clean looking German soldiers -

http://www.philaord.com/MP-40_MP-41.html

Turns out there was some spirited discussion about that pic on another forum - It's a couple of 're-enactors' holding replica MP-40's... :roflmao:

I adhere to Fox Mulder's philosophy..."Trust...No One"... :D

alanint 09-26-2014 01:47 PM

I've seen this photo before and have always considered it to be authentic.

These are French volunteers to the German army. Not all soldiers were filthy all the time. There was guard, garrison and occupation duty which did not involve combat.

Pictured is a scarse, MP38/40 transitional gun. Replicas do not come with early, slab-sided magazines or early, non ribbed magazine wells.

The negative is reversed so the MP40 is backwards. This is the only issue I see with this image.


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