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cirelaw 08-06-2014 06:18 PM

Thank You John! I'm studying up before I get my first in a few weeks. Did their overall quality ever change over the years? ~ Eric

guns3545 08-06-2014 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw (Post 258485)
Thank You John! I'm studying up before I get my first in a few weeks. Did their overall quality ever change over the years? ~ Eric

Eric,

Like all gun manufacturers, the Swiss made hundreds of "improvements" over the years. Some to simplify production, reduce cost, create manufacturing short cuts, etc. But quality was alway important.

They were good pistols and well liked by the Swiss military. When we lived in Switzerland in the mid-60s, you would occasionally still see privatized P-codes at the Schuetzenhaus.

But... the SIG 210 (its replacement) with its internal rather than external slide design was the most accurate military pistol I ever used. Tremendous accuracy, great reliability. An all around great side arm. And its successor, the 220 was no mean gun either.

But remember a side arm is primarily a defensive weapon. There is nothing like an UZI or a MP5 to get the job done.

John

cirelaw 08-06-2014 07:05 PM

John Thank You for that! I'll post it as soon as it arrives! Could they have always been privatly owned??

Ron Wood 08-06-2014 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by guns3545 (Post 258484)
...May be off on the SN range but 9mm variations have been seen. Not many, but they are around and expensive...

John

I saw three of them on one table at Tulsa years ago! Fakes abound and I wouldn't buy one without serious study...and then I would hope to have someone else give me the money for the purchase...I would hate wasting my own.:eek:

cirelaw 08-06-2014 09:12 PM

Lotsa money for a luger paperweight!!

guns3545 08-06-2014 09:16 PM

Ron.

I'll not argue with you on that. And some were actually made in Switzerland for use as patterns.

John

Ron Wood 08-07-2014 12:06 AM

I am aware of the Swiss pattern pieces John. I was just trying to give fair warning to anyone who contemplates buying a 9mm Swiss...you had better do your homework and be pretty well up on Swiss Lugers. It is not for the novice. Heck, it isn't even for me and I am not a novice.:)

Sergio Natali 08-07-2014 03:17 AM

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Gerben
Just for an easy price comparison

1) the "Red Grips" costs US 2650.00
2) the WF 1906 costs USD 3200.00
3) the WF 1929 cost 2150.0 each

Sergio

Vlim 08-07-2014 04:26 AM

I bought the 1906 + the 1929 together for about $2300 in total ;)

guns3545 08-07-2014 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood (Post 258504)
I am aware of the Swiss pattern pieces John. I was just trying to give fair warning to anyone who contemplates buying a 9mm Swiss...you had better do your homework and be pretty well up on Swiss Lugers. It is not for the novice. Heck, it isn't even for me and I am not a novice.:)

Ron,

AMEN to that!!

John

kzullick 08-07-2014 09:15 AM

I truly love my '29. I find the quality on Swiss firearms superb. I also have a K31 and it is one of the most accurate rifles I own.

cirelaw 08-07-2014 09:19 AM

Ten year ago F.G.S. was selling the 1929 with holster for $2100! They don't seem to go up in price!! Eric

kzullick 08-07-2014 01:50 PM

Eric,
It seems like have actually went down in value over the last few years. The Blue Book price for a 98% 29 is $1950.00, add 20% for Red Grips. 5 years ago it was $2450.00

cirelaw 08-07-2014 02:17 PM

One small question! I see you quoted the Blue Book. Years ago they were referred to as the 'Black and Blue' book! Are they reliable now??

kzullick 08-07-2014 02:39 PM

Sometimes yes and sometimes no, it's supposed to be based on market prices but I've seen it wrong on many occasion, still it is what the gun dealers use. So in this case if their selling they will use the older edition, if buying the newer one. And yes I have seen this happen. All in all I find it a loosely based guide to use. It still comes down to what someone is willing to pay.

cirelaw 08-07-2014 03:15 PM

How did a country that never went to war need so many variations or models?

kzullick 08-07-2014 04:49 PM

To make it better or make it cheaper or both!


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