According to the BATFE's web site FAQ:

Source http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=44&t=73768

That may be true in Cal. but BATF has ruled that repro's that duplicate originals may be used on Navy and Artillery lugers. Not legal to have a Navy stock on a artillery or reversed. You need not apply to BATF for anything. Bill

Either a real or repro stock is only legal on a Luger which was originally issued with a stock. The C&R list has a section that list acceptable pistol and stocks sets and it states that the stock must be original issue stocks not reproductions or replicas . A repro stock on a Luger, even if it's an exact duplicate, has to first pass the proper paperwork and registration of the stock and pistol as a Short Barrel Rifle with the BATFE and may have to pay the $200 tax stamp fee. According to ATF list of curios and relics (pub. 5300.11, part III), the lugers and stocks that are exempt or excluded from the NFA restrictions are very specific, and don't cover all pre-war and wartime artillery lugers and stocks.


Reproduction stocks, Artillery or Navy are legal with Artillery or Navy Luger's. The above statement is either un clear, misleading or false.

Are all proper stocks numbered?
 

I did notice one above~~

The BATFE pub has not been updated to reflect the exemption for repro stocks. However, an exemption was requested by Odin in 1981 and the exemption was granted by letter from the BATFE. This question comes up about twice a year and we have to revisit it each time. Seems like there must be a way avoid the repetition.

I would submit that Ron's post pretty much puts an end to the question....

Darius,

I suggest this refinement for further clarity:

sure thing. this was a quote from Johnny Peppers:
during my research as suggested by mods.
Source: http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=25509

Both carbines were issued also with a matching stock! Was it legal to fire one without the stock or was it considered a cut down carbine??~~~Eric

Great discussion, but clarification still needed as follows:

C&R list and ATF determinations re: removable and fixed stocks are very well defined.

To NOT be an "NFA" item (i.e., one requiring a tax stamp and registration), other than as exempted specifically under C&R, anything goes...with respect to a fixed or removable stock so long as the overall length is at least 26 inches and the barrel length is at least 16 inches. Otherwise, whether one starts with a pistol and adds a stock or, conversely, a rifle and cuts the barrel, if those requirements are not met, one has a short barrelled rifle (SBR), which is an NFA weapon. NO EXCEPTION other than those indicated per C&R list.

Food for thought: the POSSESSION of components resulting in a NFA weapon as defined above ( total length of less than 26 inches and/or barrel of less than 16 inches ) "in close proximity" (will leave that definition up to the reader), if somehow brought to the attention of the ATF can potentially be problematic, unless status of said combination has been made kosher formally via NFA registration prior to such time as it is "assembled" (put in close proximity), not necessarily attached!

Gizmo -

Could you tell me where you found that quote??? :)

If it ain't broke don't fix it. Bill

I refer you to http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/index.html

More specifically, I direct your attention to : ATF Rul. 2011-4

This ruling is the final poop on the status of shoulder stocks with reference to Lugers, Mausers and the like, irrespective of those excluded due to C and R status, of course, which has been cited by others in this thread. As you will see, I believe my previous post succinctly defines the basic tenets of this ruling with respect to the legal status of of shoulder stocks "in close proximity" to Lugers of varying barrel length of less than 16 inches and/or assembled units with a total length of less than 26 inches irrespective of barrel length.

Furthermore, I wish to direct your attention to Page three of the ATF letter of Rule beginning with the first of the four paragraphs in the conclusion beginning with ""Held..." namely that paragraph specifically addressing the potential pitfall to the unwary presented by "unassembled parts ...placed in close proximity."


Morris Gardner (gizmo)

Since this thread has diverged I'll go some more.

Why did 4" Lugers have a stock lug if they were not intended to be used with a stock?

Further, why was the stock lug continued into WWII if not intended to be used with a stock?

Thanks,
David

I read its' real reason it was to be used in manufacture for grasping and holding the luger such as diping or being individualed tooled! I can't individually attest to this fact!!

It needs to be a sticky...

Question to ponder fellows.
Sure it can be a pain for the very experienced Luger fellows to explain over and over but what is the main purpose of this site that is so generously provided to us?
Isn't it so we all can learn from from each other and especially from the very experienced guys and gals?

The questions are often more important than the answers!! Eric

Hi Larry, While what you say is perfectly true, most of the questions asked and answered on this thread have been asked and answered countless times in the past (see below). I don't think it's asking too much to expect members to use the forum's search function before asking a question.
Regards, Norm
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ight=stock+lug

Some Finnish 4" M23 Lugers were issued with Shoulder Stocks..