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The bases look like the ones that came with the 2/1001 DDR mags. Just had an addition added to them. These are very good mags but all made after WW2. Bill

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Originally Posted by Arizona Slim (Post 224587)

It's a shame there isn't a way to get the word out to prospective buyers/bidders on web sites like e-bay, crooks like this guy should be put out of business.

Its amazing how many folks 'refuse' to be ON-LINE - they don't realize the info they loose

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Originally Posted by mrerick (Post 224582)

David,

One thing. The Haenel Schmeisser magazines (whether FXO or 2/1001 DDR era) were not extruded. They were formed and welded steel that was subsequently precision machined into their shape.

I still think that these may have been the best and most consistent Luger magazines. It's surprising that the technique hasn't been more widely used. Of course, stamped steel is cheaper to produce.

Marc

Wow, not actually extruded? My notion was based on having encountered the term several times in descriptions on the, um, forum. They're obviously ground and contoured up by the top. So, the striations all the way around the body are actually left by the grinding? Do you know if any forging (hot forming) was involved?

I have always admired the workmanship and construction of these mags. The lips are beefy and stiff, and I'll bet it's their ability to stay in tune that makes these mags work so well. I wonder what they'd cost today, compared to MecGar!

I was browsing on ebay just looking at what was there and saw this magazine. Looks like a nickel body but the aluminum bottom markings. They look like they are raised kinda like the ones originally in this thread. Im I correct in this thinking or is this a correct bottom and complete magazine. Price wise, Wow! $475. That cant be right I would hope.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-German-...item589a22d88b

It isn't right! Guy is dreaming pie in the sky.

hmm, dont shoot me, but im not sure. it could be original...
in the luger-book of görtz a similar one is shown.

price is funny, no question.

regards klaus

The more I looked at it, the base of it did look kinda old. The close up picture of the stampings looked kinda funny, but I saw another magazine that was a simson or Krieg. that had a very distinctive stamp that I think goes with that style gun on there as well. The close up of it kinda had that same look at the edges of the stampings. I think its just me not use to seeing the aluminum bottoms. The Krieghoff is what I think the magazine was, was even more than this one. But I guess for that gun its probably correct

Im still learning here, so work with me. But reading threads here makes me look a little deeper at items that do interest me, or just browse at.

Just saying the mag is in bad condition..the magazine pin hole on one side is ovaled/torn out. The mag seems too late for the body.

At any rate IMO it's a $50-75 magazine in it's condition. But good luck to the guy!

you can't compare different makers fonts with any degree of accuracy and even then, the letters and numbers would change over time, let alone any acceptance markings

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-GER...item53f3fd3a6c

Heres the Kriegoff I ws talking about. Looking at the Eagle/6 on it close, some of the edges are a little raised / sharp on the left side. Its probably just the fact it is aluminum. But even this one after looking is actually cheaper than the nickel boby one.

Is that the prices them kinda magazines go for. I never really looked at prices on them and I saw that last night and I just started looking closer. Pronably looking and trying to find something wrong I guess. But after seeing the Krieghoff the edges are almost the same way. So I'd guess there are correct. But wow, they aint cheap.

Even looking at the SN on the bottom of the Krieghoff looked like it was stamped over though. Is that common?

apples and oranges

Simson acceptance marking is eagle 6

Krieghoff acceptance marking is eagle 2 and the birds are totally different...

Sorry! I just noticed that that they are 2 different stamps between simson and krieghoff. But that wasnt reallt what I was looking at. Reading through the beginning of the thread and what alan commented on:

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I would argue that the bases are not original at all. These are newly made aluminum castings. (Observe the sharp lines and pristine condition of both. Not a SINGLE ding in either base and the stamped serial numbers have raised edges. After 70 + years for BOTH mags to be in this condition? Really?).

Got me looking at the initial magazine in this thread at the raised edges on that particular one. Looking at the nickel body mag and the krieghoff some of there edges are a little raised. Only around the "2" on the krieghoff. Thats really whta got me asking about the one from earlier. But if I look at all 3 of these mags in this thread, they all kinda have the edges a little bit raised right at the corner. But When you stamp the bottom, the metal that is there I guess compresses at the edge in places and gives it that slight raised or bulge look. So, the more I look at them today I'm thinking that all the aluminum bottoms probably do that, I would think.

But I'm glad you pointed the difference between the eagle/6 and eagle/2. cause thats a new one on me. Still learning and asking questions so I dont do a dumb thing later in life when buying these guns.