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wlyon 10-15-2012 09:34 AM

Just use a soft cloth with light oil (I use 3 in 1 ) and wipe it down periodically. Same with the bore. Bill

CAP Black 10-15-2012 11:42 AM

Some places look to me like they need a good old fashioned cleaning. But nothing harsh - nothing abrasive. Mostly just TLC. Check this site for handy cleaning techniques.
Enjoy and preserve.
Jack

Sky Zero 10-16-2012 02:47 PM

So I just noticed that all the other lugers I've seen have a silver safety bar thing I've seen (the piece that pops up when you put the safety on) and mine seems to be black; did some come with black ones?

alanint 10-16-2012 05:11 PM

No, this would be a serious indication of a reblue. Are you sure that it hasn't simply darkened from skin oils over time?

With the top cannon removed, raise this bar and look at the backside to see if that's in the white.

Sky Zero 10-16-2012 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint (Post 221602)
No, this would be a serious indication of a reblue. Are you sure that it hasn't simply darkened from skin oils over time?

With the top cannon removed, raise this bar and look at the backside to see if that's in the white.

nope it's definitely not dirty and the back is also black.. the finish on that bar seems better than all the other parts :/

Sky Zero 10-16-2012 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint (Post 221602)
No, this would be a serious indication of a reblue. Are you sure that it hasn't simply darkened from skin oils over time?

With the top cannon removed, raise this bar and look at the backside to see if that's in the white.

here's a picture of it

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n...psebd99e9a.jpg

skeeter4206 10-17-2012 03:30 AM

looking at the pictures, it looks like the alignment marks on the barrel to the frame are off set. Cant quite tell in these pics, as they are a little blurry.

Could this mean a new barrel at some point in time?

alanint 10-17-2012 07:24 AM

Based partly on the safety bar and firing pin being blued, I believe your pistol to have been refinished.

Sky Zero 10-17-2012 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by skeeter4206 (Post 221642)
looking at the pictures, it looks like the alignment marks on the barrel to the frame are off set. Cant quite tell in these pics, as they are a little blurry.

Could this mean a new barrel at some point in time?

well you're right about that, they are offset but just barely; the barrel's serial number matches the frame though so who knows. I've also read somewhere that it isn't necessarily an indication of a re-barreling but rather just an assembly process issue. I think. I don't exactly know, I thought I just read that somewhere on this website (or another one)

Sky Zero 10-17-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint (Post 221646)
Based partly on the safety bar and firing pin being blued, I believe your pistol to have been refinished.

Do you think the entire thing or just those parts? Would there be a good way to tell by looking at the markings on the luger and checking for quality, clarity, etc?

mrerick 10-17-2012 12:26 PM

Also, the inside "5" digit on your trigger plate looks like it has serifs on the digit.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps89b5b6cd.jpg


I haven't seen one with tooling marks like that (although it wasn't a normally visible area). It is hard to see exactly what's in there from the photo. I can't actually tell if it is a "5" digit.

I don't believe that Mauser used dies inside there with serif fonts. They were simple sans serif fonts. Your pistol's side plate should have the first digit of your serial number +1. Your serial digits are 402 so the number "5" should be stamped in there.

Often when a side plate was missing, you looked for one with the same last 2 digits stamped on the outside. This part fitment is critical to the function of the Luger, so Mauser started linking the plate to the specific firearm it left the factory on. for that reason one plate in 10,000 will be numbered to match a Mauser Luger. If the number 5 isn't stamped inside the plate, it was replaced at some point.

Marc

alanint 10-17-2012 12:59 PM

The "5"is there, but as mentioned, with a serif font and alot of tooling marks obscuring it, which is unusual.

Sky Zero 10-17-2012 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint (Post 221684)
The "5"is there, but as mentioned, with a serif font and alot of tooling marks obscuring it, which is unusual.

Hmm so possibly it was scrubbed off by some refinisher and re-stamped to try and make it seem as authentic/original as possible?

tharpo 10-17-2012 03:10 PM

FYI
The L shaped lever in the back of your side plate is normally in the white and not blued. Also, the S shaped rear toggle coupling link is normally in the white.

Tom

mrerick 10-17-2012 03:24 PM

Tom,

I have one rather odd "42" date military proofed Banner (all matching) that I think was assembled after the war at Oberndorf from parts (speculation). It is the only Luger I have with the trigger plate pin blued. Oddly, it's snapped of on the inside, with the snapped off area blued also...

Marc

tharpo 10-17-2012 04:05 PM

Marc,
That is why I said "normally" in the white. One never knows what has happened to these guns in their lifetime. Now I believe the trigger plate lever PIN should be blued.

Tom

Sky Zero 10-17-2012 11:30 PM

hmmm :( I thought I was buying an original finish luger. Guess I should have came here first! This L shaped thing on the back of the side plate, is that the trigger plate lever pin? Also, I did a quick google on rear toggle links and some come up blued (or at least black) on all of them.

alanint 10-18-2012 07:48 AM

No, the "L" shaped thing is the Trigger lever itself. The Lever pin would be the little bent rod, that holds the trigger lever into the sideplate at the bottom.

I'm not sure what you looked at when researching "toggle links", but what the members here were referring to was the tiny little pin, which secures the larger toggle axel pin in place. This little pin can be seen on the top, left hand side of the toggle joint, next to the knurled finger knob when looking down on the toggle. This tiny pin is supposed to be in the white, not blued.

tharpo 10-18-2012 10:22 AM

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I was referring to the coupling link here.

Sky Zero 10-18-2012 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint (Post 221767)

I'm not sure what you looked at when researching "toggle links", but what the members here were referring to was the tiny little pin, which secures the larger toggle axel pin in place. This little pin can be seen on the top, left hand side of the toggle joint, next to the knurled finger knob when looking down on the toggle. This tiny pin is supposed to be in the white, not blued.

Oh ok I was looking at a different part of the toggle action. Still new to lugers so I guess I don't know what everyone is talking about.


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