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How does one fake an entire Luger? Do you start with an unmarked "sneak" and then make all the many stamps to remark it? Or do you hand cut the markings? What about the finishing? Can anyone refinish a Luger ( blue, halos, straw, tin plating, and aluminum) such that our experts here cannot tell? If it can fool the experts, how would anyone ever know? I am machine shop trained and have examined 500,000 and sold 10,000 collector guns over the last 50 years so I am not a beginner. Just curious how faking an entire gun is done?
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In the case of this K date, it was probably fabricated from a later Mauser, like a G date, in need of refinishing. After the old markings were removed and K date markings applied, it was refinished. We already know that the faker had access to period dies from the tool. A lot of work, I know, but the upside potential is enormous. All K dates, without exception, have sharp edged barrel bands. It's a shame that, when asked to post clearer photos, Myky had a hissy fit and left. Regards, Norm |
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Well stated: "Hi Chris, My primary area of interest is Imperial Navy Lugers and, trust me, anything from the humble loading tool to complete guns can be faked, as I know from bitter personal experience (see photos). A modern machine shop, as you must know, can reproduce anything made 70 to 100 years ago if there is sufficient financial incentive. In the case of this K date, it was probably fabricated from a later Mauser, like a G date, in need of refinishing. After the old markings were removed and K date markings applied, it was refinished. We already know that the faker had access to period dies from the tool. A lot of work, I know, but the upside potential is enormous." Jan |
If I am right the first alarm bell rang with the tool being Norwegian, why on earth would the faker, who seems to know exactly how to make a convincing copy, allow themself to be caught out by the machine marks on a tool?
surely they would attempt to "buff" them out or something? Please dont flame me for this observation, just hard to work out in my newby mind. I feel sympathy for Myky as the horror of realising you have been tricked must be gut wrenching and difficult to swallow, lets hope he comes back to the post when he is ready |
Hi,
I'm not attempting to comment on the subject gun but some amazing work has been done faking Lugers. A very long time collector bought the pistol in the following link and was convinced it was right. I borrowed it and took the pictures in the link. Let me know what you think. http://lmd-militaria.com/page0137.html Regards, Leon |
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I'm sorry to admit that I fell for a similar scam over on ARFCOM back in '04... :banghead: |
Sometimes they just float them on a collectors' website like this one.
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Yes, there is more to the story also that I will relate after more have examined it.
Regards, Leon |
"All K dates, without exception, have sharp edged barrel bands. "
Any chance of having a closeup photo of the above please? Thanks. Alf |
Leon
In addition to the things previously mentiomed, the 8.82 on the barrel should have a comma 8,82 instead of a period. Jan |
Here is a link to a detailed discussion of the K Date:
http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...r-Data-Request Jan |
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Yes, I have some text comments under some of the pictures. I did mention that. It's strange that with all the work that was put into that pistol, they would miss using a comma. In particular, notice the style of the E/655 that is the barrel inspection stamp at 10 o'clock just in front of the receiver. Regards, Leon |
K frame
Have a k frame also calf give me a call
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Richie, a calf is either a young heifer or a young bull. Remember that a young bull poops and as it grows it makes bulls**t. Maybe that is what Frank is telling you.
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My Norw tool
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This thread has been very "edjamakational", proving, you're never too old to learn something new.
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