thanks, that pretty much clears that up. I did not know how the french p1's came about or how the german acceptance stamp could be on a post war p1. This afternoon i fired both on my pwn range if you call it that.lol. but it's handy and private. They both functioned fine and shot well for serive pistols, the off hand grops were acceptable, so i am pleased. i shot the with the winchester white box, it is marked nato on the box. Is this supposed to be a bit less chamber pressure? or is there another winchester white box ammo? thanks